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Errinundra
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I know any whiff of allegory can wrinkle people's noses but here's a reading of Yatterman Night that came to me as I watched the first episode.
The Yatterman Kingdom represents the triumpant first world of the cold war era (when Yatterman originally aired) and the Dorombo Gang the defeated communist bloc and its third world client states. Move forward 38 years (from the original series) and we, the Yatterman Kingdom, have become untouchable and corrupted. All around the world innocent people seek to enter our countries - boat people in Australia and the Mediterranean, border crossers into the US - to share in our priviledges. We hunt them down, turn them back, allow them to die. We have become the villains. We intervene in other nations' affairs; we strip them of their resources. Leopard's boat journey with her friends represents the plight of people trying to find a better life for themselves in another country. The Yatterman response is our response to these people. Our actions are creating resistance, ie the rebirth of the Dorombo Gang with Leopard its inspirational third world leader. We are creating the terrorists that cause us grief. We refuse to see the world from their point of view. We try to wall them off. Makes you think, no? I wonder if this show will continue to show the courage of its initial convictions. |
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DuskyPredator
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I did not really connect anything like that before, but it does make me think now. Turning the boats away is actually a pretty big topic in Australia, I guess that I am kind of one of the idealists that largely gets angry the government for how the handle it. I do know that things need to be done, but walls, unnecessary violence, and perhaps a few other things. Don't help in some ways. Edit Note: I said "unmercenary violence" instead "unnecessary violence", that sounds bad somehow. Last edited by DuskyPredator on Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:04 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Errinundra
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I share your idealism re boat people. Being such a big topic in Australia was what had me intrepreting the episode that way.
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Stark700
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Episode 2:
spoiler[Great chemistry between the three main characters]. While it's amusing to watch, I also thought it was kinda charming to spoiler[see how close the trio is becoming.] That aside, the spoiler[show retains its energy and has a bit of craziness (not on the same level as Rolling Girls though imo). Oh and the OP theme song is good.] |
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Yttrbio
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I get the feeling this show is going to be far more effective when things aren't happening than when they are.
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 2
Maybe I am on a little high from how good the first episode was, but I found the second to also be incredibly good that I can't help but ask how this show could keep up this quality. She started her plan for taking on the role like anyone who spoiler[aims to have the villain role, by practicing the evil laugh]. Interesting that Leopard was not able to realise that things are spoiler[bad for some of the citizens within at least the outskirts of the city]. And from what I can presume from what we saw, the spoiler[blind girl that they went into the house of is a descendant of an original Yatterman]. She seems like a spoiler[good person, and based on what she said I think that she or her line has been abandoned by the rest of Yatterman and she is waiting for the other (an angel) to take her back]. The ED seems to imply that she will be spoiler[part of the Yatterman team and it looks like a good side, but I wonder what this actually means]. I have seen some people complain around that the tone is too all over the place where drama and comedy keep making small parts and swapping places, but I am not finding it hard to follow at all. I did not watch the original series, but I saw my fair share of the Pokémon anime and get a good idea of them as similar to Team Rocket, sudden spoiler[silly mecha and tandem bicycles] are to be expected. A number of these silly moments are a vehicle to show the traits of Doronbow, I think of how they can spoiler[do the same silly things but actually get hunted down] is part of a message of how different things are. |
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KLAC
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ep.2
spoiler[brief flashback had leopard's mom searching for a angel that lead her have time with her daughter as a baby. forward to now new doronbo trio having tea & leaves plan wonder get into yatter kingdom so train tunnel they go even build a cart go full charge in even through the water. so now new doronbo called out yatterman here they so give big robot hand flip & look like they did it but those yatterman are machines yet here come more of them so combine missile cue retreat for now. yet on the run give ask people to hide yet saying yatterman no shelter for them cause yatterman-bots on the full pursuit & terminate mode give manage to escape jump of the dam. so main trio give find house sneak to dry clothes then yet a female enter going who is there yet saw her main 3 trio had dorothy remind feeling. & female give hand touch (give look like she is blind) to leopard's face go like the angel is here. (2eps in so either somehow SKYNET got trigger in this series or who knows what next?) ] |
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Agent355
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You're not the only one! I definitely thought of refugees seeking shelter in a 1st world country that will literally shoot at them for trying to find a better life. I don't know if this is what the writers intended, but a boat with an innocent child on board being shot at by faceless robots who don't even try to listen to its reasons definitely brings up the idea of refugees and illegal aliens to me. Another allegorical concept is the idea of the current Doronbow gang being punished for the sins of their ancestors, like how Japan and Germany are treated with caution because of their roles in WWII. Of course, both Japan and Germany are 1st world countries, so their experience isn't like that of the Doronbow descendant's poverty, but the idea of the current generation judged for the sins of a past one is definitely there. |
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Ohoni
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I don't know about this one. I loved Zvezda by episode 1. I loved Gatchaman Crowds by episode 1. This series has similarities to both, but hasn't hooked me nearly as much. I'm intrigued a bit at where it's going, but not in love with it. The humor tends to fall flat, the emotional drama is simplistic and heavyhanded, and action is serviceable but not spectacular, it seems to do everything "well enough," but nothing to the degree that makes it stand out. If they don't improve things soon then this will roll off the bottom of my viewing list, like Gundam Reconguista and Vanadis did last season.
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DuskyPredator
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@ Ohoni
I think that there is a difference in message. I think that Gatchaman Crowds did was kind of question how a positive outlook can get things done in a more peaceful way than fear and violence actually in a number of those shows. Also brings up that there are some valid good ideas that can make society much more connected and it can be good. While Zvezda was kind of random where it played with tropes of a villain team, messed with the characters and sympathy. Have you seen the Pokémon anime? I think many 20 something anime viewers and lower are more likely to see that than the original series this is based on, and I think the knowledge might cross over. The Team Rocket villains are goofy, they aim to do a stereotypically evil things, so following the formulae they need to get an almost silly mecha, have mild success and than lose. What we saw in the episode was that in this situation they are getting hunted down, something that totally clashes with the hero vs silly villain code. Rather than looking at the silly bits as just trying to get a laugh, I see it more as them trying to match their roles, and how in some ways that is not working. |
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Ohoni
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Well, I'm not saying they are the same show, they clearly have different stuff going on. They are just similar in certain ways so I raised them as comparison points, and my point was just that both of those shows really grabbed by attention and interest early on, they were both very visually distinct and had good senses of humor that made me really want the next episode.
This series is competent, the animation seems fluid to me and all that, but it's nothing "wow" there, and the humor is just a little chuckle here or there, so that's not enough of a hook, and the little girl losing her mother in a dystopian meh-scape is done to death so there's no interest there, I'm just not hooked yet. And for the record, I have not watched Yatterman (or the original Gatchaman, but that did not hurt my enjoyment of Crowds), and did watch at least some of the early Pokemon so I'm aware of Team Rocket. I get the whole "the 'villain team' becoming the good guys against the 'hero team'" schtick, but it's not handled in any particularly interesting way here. Not yet at least.
Ultimately though, that leads to them being very confused, paper thin characters, where they don't really seem to have a lot of personality because they meander between several. I think you could do that if you had at least one really compelling and clear character, or if the rest of the world was so interesting that the characters don't really matter for a while, but this show lacks either of those traits. I don't know, I think this might be one of those series where once you've seen it all it comes together, the characters all get their focus episodes and we finally learn where they come from and what they're doing, I just don't think they did a good enough job giving me a reason to care long enough to find that stuff out. For me at least, if others really enjoy it then that's fine. |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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Watching this series it is like the sun has come out of the clouds. Pretty much every other new winter series has disappointed me in a way but I loved every second of this.
I loved the fairy tale feel to it and how the heroes/villains have switched sides. And I adore the 3 main characters who remind me very much of the Grandis Gang from Nadia who were my favorites in that show (of course now I see that Nadia must have got their original inspiration from the 70's Yatterman). Although Leopard kind of reminds me of a cross between Grandis and Marie. |
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L'Imperatore
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And suddenly it becomes a spoiler[team adventure.] Great, I like it. The more, the merrier.
Glad all that nudity scene with the trio doesn't last long. If it's meant to be comedic, unfortunately it doesn't work for me. It's kinda.... creepy. 
_______________________________________ From all-ages wacky-adventure-and-mecha-of-the-week to a dark, post-apocalyptic show involving actual attempts to kill. Whew, my childhood anime will never be the same anymore. |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 3
What do you do when you are being spoiler[attacked by the dark image of old heroes trying to kill you and need to escape and are bound by comic relief anime villain traits]? You make a spoiler[dramatic over the top entrance, summon your impractical mecha of the week out of nowhere and use its inevitable losing to stop the enemy and get away in your campy escape villain]. I have seen it often that heroes have been able to draw on the spirit of being a hero to win, but see a group draw on the power of being the villain, that feels special. Who of us love the villains making a campy entrance? *raises hand* For my age group it was Team Rocket, which I am sure older viewers may have their own or maybe even know the originals that were Dorinbo. Actually I am reminded of a fond memory I had from that show where one time the heroes do it instead. Maybe something really strange, or maybe not even make sense, but I had a tear as I watched some of the ED. I think the reason starts with that spoiler[now we have the true descendants of the Yatterman, and they have decided to join our villain heroes]. It gave me thought he too spoiler[decided to abandon that fate (the dice)], and together they are all a new generation that can draw on strength of their past generations, but won't let it dictate being enemies of each other. You should show kindness to each other, watch each other's backs, and together you can bring down the broken system. Maybe I am reading too much into it, maybe I am thinking things that the show might not entirely do, but that is what I felt. |
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KLAC
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ep.3
spoiler[brief flashback where baby leopard got mom's soup cue forward to now main trio meet ally yet she called them her angels give feel remind of mom. then here come gali give hid them from yatter-bots yet tell them story that their parents & dog we're taken to main yatter city which got "boom" and lost which cause ally can't accept reality of this world that see main trio as angels to bring them to her parents. so gali let them stay for night yet ask why hate yatterman give reason trying make-up for failing to protect someone then next day give them clothes on the go yet ally ask where are they then yikes yatter-bots are back. main trio hear noise then count 30 yatter-bots want them or go "boom" on ally & gail til saved by the pig so now after quick basement hid now gali realize need to make own choice so he & ally join main trio. house go boom yet there all ok bring in dyanmite-bot for taking you with me boom which lead flying bike ride for main trio along with ally & gali to main yatter city. ] |
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