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Bored_Ming



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:37 pm Reply with quote
I wish I had been paying attention to this one. I'm surprised to see there are no Book of Bantorra characters on the list. I figure at least Hamyuts Meseta would be up there. For cipes sake she took out an entire army with just a slingshot and ample cleavage.
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MorwenLaicoriel



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:40 pm Reply with quote
Man, every time I participate in one of these tournaments it makes me feel like I really have to watch a bunch of series. Doubly so for this one, I'm attempting to fill out a mini-game entry for the first time and I'm making blind guesses on a lot of these match-ups.

These tournaments have helped me watch some really good series I might not have picked up, though, so I can't complain too much. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:22 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
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He may or may not be a douche (YMMV), but that's no reason to spell Lelouch's name wrong. I already had this discussion with JesuOtaku in the Most Clever/Intelligent Tournament.
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I did NOT misspell Lelouch's name (see here); you may want to take up the matter directly with key. Maybe he was tired or something.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:42 pm Reply with quote
nbahn wrote:
I did NOT misspell Lelouch's name (see here); you may want to take up the matter directly with key. Maybe he was tired or something.


I know you spelt Lelouch's name properly. I was of course referring to the spreadsheet Key posted.

Aylinn wrote:
Do you really think that Yuhei will take down Reihard? I don’t try to insinuate that Yuhei is uncool, he is a reserved person, I have nothing against it, but he comes across as a stiff person, not a cool one, and he lacks charisma and personal charm that Reinhard has in spades.


Reinhard has his moments of awesomeness, but he also throws unnecessary tantrums unbefitting of the most powerful man alive. And what boy who knows anything about baseball hasn't dreamed of being a cool customer like Yuhei? He is almost always in emotional control of himself, his skills are so ridiculous he's walked most of the time because most opponents are too afraid to pitch to him, and his Tragic Past (tm) means he playing for his brother's lost glory. How is that not cool? He isn't suave and he's not a good talker, but he inspires people around him with his dedication and skills. It's a different - but no less powerful - form of charisma. He has waaay fewer personality faults than Reinhard, and yet he isn't robotic or unemotional. Who is cooler? Who would I rather be? Yuhei.

Hmmm, I should use the above paragraph as my reasoning for the matchup.
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Dorcas_Aurelia



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:41 pm Reply with quote
So, with the delayed tournament start, I'm not going to bother with submission extensions. Don't put it off if you have any interest in participating, because the extra week will sneak up on you.

Generic #757858 wrote:
Key wrote:
And speaking of that rush job, how in the hell did we get through the nomination phase without anyone from Read or Die getting nominated?


I did consider it, but decided not to. Papermanipulation powers are pretty cool, but let's face it, you can't really say that Yomiko or any of the Paper Sisters have the characteristics to be considered 'Bad Ass' or even 'General Cool'. Drake or Miss Deep might have qualified, but even so I wouldn't consider them to be particularly strong candidates.

I thought similarly. I had several other characters I was considering nominating, but the nomination period was shorter than usual, and I just didn't get around to them.

So, looking at the bracket, I have no idea how I think any of this will play out. Like, I am preemptively disappointed Nanoha will be knocked out by Guts in the first round, but then I hope for the long-shot that people will think of Guts as too much of a jerk and go for a more selflessly heroic badass. (But I'm not counting on it.)
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Aylinn



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:28 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:

Reinhard has his moments of awesomeness, but he also throws unnecessary tantrums unbefitting of the most powerful man alive.

Yes, Reinhard occasionally has tantrums, but I completely fail to understand how it is unnecessary and unbefitting of the most powerful man. Reinhard is imbued with character traits of real people. Alexander the Great was known for his many temper tantrums. Since there are many parallels between Reinhard and Alexander, it’s safe to assume that Reinhard was based upon Alexander the Great.

Besides, I don’t really remember Reinhard having temper tantrums that often, definitely he doesn't have them often enough to make an impression of an emotional person, he sometimes may throw a tantrum, but generally he controls his emotions, unlike Lelouch, who is based upon Reinhard, but is far more emotional. I don't have any problems with Reinhard's tantrums, he gets pissed off if someone insults his sister, it's understandeble. Even if Reinhard has some faults, they are not annoying like, for example: Suzaku's self-righteousness, they never hinder Reinhard's plans, so I don’t consider those faults to be uncool, as Reinhard still achieves what he wants. Those faults make him human, not a failure.

dtm42 wrote:

He isn't and he's not a good talker, but he inspires people around him with his dedication and skills. It's a different - but no less powerful - form of charisma.

I don’t remember Yuhei being such a strong inspirational figure. Those around him already play baseball, because they like it or want to fulfill Wakaba’s dream, not because they are awed by Yuhei’s skills.

dtm42 wrote:

and his Tragic Past (tm) means he playing for his brother's lost glory. How is that not cool?

He started to play baseball because he feels guilty towards his brother, this is not cool in my opinion, if anything I consider his change of attitude towards playing baseball more cool.
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nightjuan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:08 am Reply with quote
Aylinn wrote:
Yes, Reinhard occasionally has tantrums, but I completely fail to understand how it is unnecessary and unbefitting of the most powerful man. Reinhard is imbued with character traits of real people. Alexander the Great was known for his many temper tantrums. Since there are many parallels between Reinhard and Alexander, it’s safe to assume that Reinhard was based upon Alexander the Great.


The parallels are certainly clear. However, it must be pointed out that real people, such as Alexander the Great himself, can and do develop personality traits that are unnecessary or counterproductive for their position and its responsibilities. Case in point: the paranoia, drunkenness and misrule of Alexander's later years made him an ultimately tragic figure. I would, in fact, say Reinhard himself was at least a little luckier in that respect, but not because he lacked his own set of character flaws. Whether that is or isn't "uncool" depends not so much on what is "realistic" but instead on what each of us values the most about any given character.

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Besides, I don’t really remember Reinhard having temper tantrums that often, definitely he doesn't have them often enough to make an impression of an emotional person...


Your mileage may vary. Within the context of his own show Reinhard certainly came across as far more prideful and emotionally susceptible than Yang Wen-li. Even if the tantrums themselves may be kept under control, the decisions he made because of them weren't always wise or correct. In fact, sometimes they cost him on the battlefield or, directly or indirectly, led to dissent and other unfortunate outcomes that could have been avoided. This might seem little in light of his overall success, yes, but I believe it's worth pointing out...even if Reinhard remains one of my favorite characters and thus considerably deserving of my support in this tournament. I would actually argue that all of the above contributes to making him cool, because his rise and his victories wouldn't be nearly as impressive or interesting without overcoming a few bumps along the road.
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Aylinn



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:29 pm Reply with quote
nightjuan wrote:
Case in point: the paranoia, drunkenness and misrule of Alexander's later years made him an ultimately tragic figure.

And megalomania Wink
I wanted to point out that Reinhard's behaviour is nothing strange. Maybe he would behave in a dignified manner all the time, but it would be hardly realistic. However, I agree with that having realistic character traits in itself doesn't make a character more cool.

nightjuan wrote:

Your mileage may vary. Within the context of his own show Reinhard certainly came across as far more prideful and emotionally susceptible than Yang Wen-li.

Certainly, but he is becoming less and less emotionally susceptible, as he is becoming older. At least I remember him throwing tantrums here and there in the Gaidens and at the beginning of the main OVA, but later not so much.

nightjuan wrote:

Even if the tantrums themselves may be kept under control, the decisions he made because of them weren't always wise or correct. In fact, sometimes they cost him on the battlefield or, directly or indirectly, led to dissent and other unfortunate outcomes that could have been avoided. This might seem little in light of his overall success, yes, but I believe it's worth pointing out...even if Reinhard remains one of my favorite characters and thus considerably deserving of my support in this tournament. I would actually argue that all of the above contributes to making him cool, because his rise and his victories wouldn't be nearly as impressive or interesting without overcoming a few bumps along the road.

I agree.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:11 pm Reply with quote
I know it may sound like a daft question, but I have only seen the end of the last tournament, so...

I know at one point you need to start writing up arguments for and against why you think a character should go through, etc. What happns if you do not know either of the characters that are against each other? That is of course a potential situation, bthere is a fair number of characters out in the tournament that I have only vaguely heard of, so there is a possibility of it happening.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:57 pm Reply with quote
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However, I agree with that having realistic character traits in itself doesn't make a character more cool.

Agreed. That makes him more believable and less shallow. Although it's also useful to remember that effectiveness doesn't equal coolness. Otherwise, what's his rival doing here when all he did was pretty much affect Reinhard's final decision (which was a huge impact in the series, but perhaps not exactly what he had in mind, which is democracy in its entirety). While at it, I also believe that his rival's lack of a solid goal will be brought up as a huge weakness, but that's another thing, for another time.
I guess after hearing arguments against him I've become interested in his efficiency in a bad ass tournament.

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What happns if you do not know either of the characters that are against each other?

Entry guide, trailers, and arguments. I wouldn't recommend Wiki and stuff like that.
I'd say if you don't know either it's just a formality to write something. For example:
"I don't know either character, but after reading participant A's arguments, I've been convinced that character Y is the best choice."
Did that not happen in the previous tournament? Sorry, I stopped reading the thread shortly after I stopped voting.
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~~EpiC~~



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Oh man, filing out a bracket entry for this tournament was extraordinarily hard. The supporting character tournament was nowhere near as difficult to fill out. But oh my word, badass vs cool character match-ups were ridiculously hard to choose between. I feel the differences between what makes people cool varies so much I'm not even sure I can give consistent reasons for my choices throughout the tournament.

And is it just me or are there some really early power match ups? What am I saying, with the exception of a few brackets, every round looks like a power match-up. This tourney is going to be nuts.
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Aylinn



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:07 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:

Agreed. That makes him more believable and less shallow. Although it's also useful to remember that effectiveness doesn't equal coolness. Otherwise, what's his rival doing here when all he did was pretty much affect Reinhard's final decision (which was a huge impact in the series, but perhaps not exactly what he had in mind, which is democracy in its entirety).

Yang Wen-li is a better tactician, Reinhard has more accomplishments as a strategist.

From the beginning Reinhard didn’t plan on anything particular spoiler[after his death], since he knew it’s impossible for him to influence things once spoiler[he is dead.] He even said that if his son has no predisposition to be a ruler, then so be it. It’s not like it was difficult to convince him to this option, he didn’t care either way.
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HyugaHinata



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Nominations:

Killua from Hunter x Hunter. Coolness: Badass.
Gon from Hunter x Hunter. Coolness: general, nonchalance.

spoiler[Killua's a prodigious assassin, immune to poison and torture.

Gon's got excellent natural constitution, talents, speed and boundless determination.]
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MorwenLaicoriel



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:12 pm Reply with quote
~~EpiC~~ wrote:
Oh man, filing out a bracket entry for this tournament was extraordinarily hard. The supporting character tournament was nowhere near as difficult to fill out. But oh my word, badass vs cool character match-ups were ridiculously hard to choose between. I feel the differences between what makes people cool varies so much I'm not even sure I can give consistent reasons for my choices throughout the tournament.

And is it just me or are there some really early power match ups? What am I saying, with the exception of a few brackets, every round looks like a power match-up. This tourney is going to be nuts.


Oh yeah, I feel the same way. There's some strong candidates for the title that I think are probably going to get knocked out in the first or second round, and I know there's a lot of things in the bracket where I guessed opposite of how I think I'll actually vote. It doesn't help that I don't know all of the characters, so in some rounds I was completely guessing, too.

Then again, I don't expect to actually win the mini-game since this is the first time I entered--I just thought it'd be fun to have a personal stake in the results this time around.
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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:56 pm Reply with quote
Unicorn_Blade wrote:
I know it may sound like a daft question, but I have only seen the end of the last tournament, so...

I know at one point you need to start writing up arguments for and against why you think a character should go through, etc. What happns if you do not know either of the characters that are against each other? That is of course a potential situation, bthere is a fair number of characters out in the tournament that I have only vaguely heard of, so there is a possibility of it happening.


Well, there is the old standby of The Coin Toss (which I have done when I didn't really care about either character). But, just read the Character Descriptions and decide.

Unless, Key has changed things, you won't have to give a reason why you are chosing a character in the first and possibly second rounds. After that, yes, you have to come up with a reason why you are voting for a particular character. And it's alright if you say "I am voting for Don Juan because I liked the arguments that Aylinn gave for him. The fact that he risked his life to save a puppy was what got me."
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