Forum - View topicWhy Iike the ANN forums more than those of Anime On DVD.
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Jlbkwrm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the guy moaning (on the old forum) about the hideous evil that is AnimEigo putting AMG on two discs? When, just a few years ago, you'd have to fork over the dough for five seperate VHS tapes? Times change. Standards change. The demands of the customers change. And what may seem trivial to some is hugely important to others. The debate is good, and it lets the industry gauge what the fans think.
In the past four years? Bull. Fans pushed for soft-subs. Fans pushed for the end of overlays. Fans pushed for more accurate ADV dubs. They didn't always win, but they caused a lot of change that never would have happened any other way. I like AoD. I like ANN. As much as it may shock some, it is possible. It's never been a competition between the two for me, because what I expect from each forum and site is different. AoD is an excellent resource for its intended subject. If I want to know something about a particular title's DVD release, that is where I go. If I have a technical question, I go there. If I want to compliment/criticize a studio, I go there. R2 stuff? Definitely there. I rely on ANN more for my all-around news. Con info? Here. Anime in the media? Here. Manga info? Here. Summaries of as-yet unliscenced series? Here, again. The forums are better for conversations on the state of the industry, polls, random discussion about a given series, and a variety of other things (Plus, hey, pretty much no 'When is xxx coming out?' posts). Both sites have posted stories that turned out to be false, both post large amounts of useful news on a regular basis. Confusion is inevitable, and short of only posting press releases and direct quotes from studio reps, things will get misinterpeted. Both sites have also led me to check out fantastic anime that I wouldn't have othewise (Kite and Battle Athletes: Victory being two of the more memorable examples). They're both valuable sites, and I see no reason that one must be criticized in favor of the other. |
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GATSU
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"You're got the process backwards. Streamline and Manga didn't pay anyone to put their movies in theaters. The theaters paid them."
Distributors have to pay theaters a cover charge, in case the film flops. The theater isn't always gonna be nice about "And Nintendo didn't pay the TV stations to air Pokemon, the TV stations paid them." Whatever money Nintendo makes on Nintendo merchandise has to be divided with the broadcaster. Thus the people who own a particular anime DO make some sort of investment. "So, really, it is the fans that run everything. If the fans weren't there to see the shows on TV, nobody buy advertising spots." There will always be advertising spots, regardless of who's watching the show in question. And the only reason anime is aired is because networks need any form of animation to keep kids interested in buying whatever product is being advertised, regardless of what it has to do with what's airing. "And if nobody bought adversiting spots, the TV station wouldn't bother buying expensive Japanese shows." Actually, the thing is they're not expensive, at least not compared to American animation. That's because union rules demand higher pay for American animators and voice actors than for those in Japan. In fact, many times networks sponsored Japanese animated productions rather than produce their own. (Transformers ring a bell?) "That's true to some extent. Some of the people who work in the anime business have no appreciation at all for the artform. They just know that all the kiddies love it, and work on the dubs so they can buy a shiny new BMW." Yes, getting paid less than union fees to be a voice actor for an anime really proves how greedy and selfish American voice actors are. Paying money to edit an anime which may not be successful in the home video market-even if it is unedited- really shows how heartless distributors are. "But many of the people who work in the anime industry are fans, as well as entrepeneurs. If they weren't fans, they wouldn't only work on anime. If ADV Films, for example, wasn't run by anime fans, they would almost definitely have a ton more animation in their catalog from America and other countries besides Japan." Ok, so if it's just about being fans, what does Farscape have to do with anime?! "Those are just the lazy fans. Serious fans move on in life to organize conventions, start anime shops, open anime news websites, and maybe even work in the American anime industry." At least we agree somewhere. |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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There are two definitions of 'fan' we're working with...
The general 'fan' of a series, such as the 5.7 billion kiddies who liked Pokemon...
...And the hardcore fans who care about the product. The first type of fan is what pays the bills. They'll buy anything (or nearly anything) with the series label on it. The latter type are irritating, loud, obnoxious, and will probably go to even greater lengths to get the product, even if complaining all the while. ;) In the early 90s, I'd say there were quite a few of the latter type of fan.. .. but nowadays, I think the former fan (the quiet, will-buy-it-almost-irregardless-of-quality) significantly outnumbers the latter. Therefore, while I see the truth in Animan's argument, I also need to point out that what he's talking about (*fans* being the driving force in anime) is no longer really true, per se. yeah, companies will listen to the loudmouthed fans, but for the most part it isn't worth their time. why please a few dozen people when they're doing thousands of DVDs-worth of sales with their current methods?
Unless I'm _sorely_ mistaken, I was under the impression that ADV was originally a fansubbing group that went pro. (well, I suppose I'm wrong in that regard; they were an offshoot of an anime club, and then went pro... but it's still fairly similar. I suppose it's about the same as Synch-Point's history.) |
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Animan
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Cookie: "Therefore, while I see the truth in Animan's argument, I also need to point out that what he's talking about (*fans* being the driving force in anime) is no longer really true, per se."
Very hard to say, Cookie...some of THOSE fans are now working in the industry and are dealing with the NEW fans. Hard to say. Gatsu: "Ok, so if it's just about being fans, what does Farscape have to do with anime?!" Farscape didn't create ADV, Animeigo, or Manga Video--anime did. (Or I should say anime FANS did.) Gatsu: "Yes, getting paid less than union fees to be a voice actor for an anime really proves how greedy and selfish American voice actors are. " The voice actors are getting what these studios offer them because of union loopholes. One of them (among other loopholes) being that the unions have jurisdiction in Hollywood, but not outside of Hollywood and into other states, where some of these anime distribution studios are creating their dubs. The actors wanting to survive or break into the voice acting industry by doing anime are pretty much stuck with getting less. BWAHAHAHA!!! This has been a fun topic! I'm gonna go get a beer! |
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Ataru
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Actually this is my first stricty anime board, and I like this one better then the other board I was on.
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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I'm locking this topic.
The last thing we need is to stir up sitewars between us and anyone else, particularly AoDVD. I think this thread's outlived it's usefulness, too. If you want to discuss some of the topics in here (such as fandom in the anime industry itself) then start a new topic for it. Anyways, this is locked. I shoulda done that sooner.. |
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