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nursemcquade
Posts: 26 Location: NY |
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My goodness... you can't please everyone. That's why there are several different reviewers with varying points of view. While Zac can come off a bit cynical sometimes I find his reviews the most reliable, consistent and entertaining to read. If a title has reviews by more than one person I always goto his first. I don't agree with every one of his opinions, but do trust that what he has to say is going to be honest and not try and cater to what he thinks people want to hear.
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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Honesty is harsh. You know how many people think that their friends are unattractive, but reign in that honesty because it would destroy their relationship?
When it comes to entertainment of any sort, the reviewer and what he reviews are not friends. If you don't like honesty, the internet is FILLED with all sorts of anime reviews, pro and amateur. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
Posts: 3820 Location: Louisville, KY |
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Think of it this way "fox news is major news network like msnbc but both have their bias when giving out news or twist it to please their viewers.". I think that's the mentality the op has just give out facts but you can't do that with an review it's just a opinion based on the product that you experienced. I might have been off my rocker in the forums but i know this much.. aye |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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I get what you're saying, and I think you have a point. At least, I think you have a point about some of this. Obviously I don't agree that my boss should muzzle me and tell me I can't say what I'm thinking. He isn't the sort of person to do that anyway. But what you're really saying here is that I shouldn't talk about who the potential audience is for these shows - it's far too easy to make jokes and dick around about it, and that can wind up coming across as disrespectful and shitty. I don't think you're wrong about that. I really took a metric ton of hate for the review of KissxSis I did a few years ago: animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2010-04-01/zac I deserved the shit I got for that. I was being an ass about it. I enjoyed writing that - it really did get out a lot of the frustration I feel when it comes to this kind of thing. They *can* make something that's more than just "the people with [fetish x] will buy this, so let's make a bunch of it" but they don't, because this is entertainment, and just like Hollywood, anime is a risk-averse business. I decided to just be as crappy as I could about it in the moment, and that made a lot of people angry. The thing I said you didn't like, I think - and stop me if I'm wrong here, seriously - is this:
When I wrote this, I felt like I was being fair and honest about my understanding of the show - which legitimately blew my mind, by the way - and wasn't really being an asshole about it. That's how I felt, anyway. It really did seem like a show that was made for one of these two audiences. I felt like I wasn't passing judgement on the gun fetish guys - just saying that the show seems to be made for them. Frankly I don't really know how anyone can walk away from the show *not* thinking it's for gun fetish people, coming to the same conclusions I did. Gun fetish people can like what they like - nobody's disputing that. Pointing out who you feel the audience for a show like this is, though, comes across like you're passing judgement. And that's what bothers you. And again, I think you have a point. I can't promise I'll never do it again, but understand I respect your opinion and how you've decided to come at this. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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My only disappointment was that it got 10 out of 5. In deference to Spinal Tap, I would have preferred that it got 11 out of 5. I found the review of Upotte!! quite generous. Sure, he did suggest that some fans of the show would be the kind of sick twisted individuals who are "laughing at it", but he also left the out that some fans may well be people who just innocently wish to imagine making love to their guns. Its like the old "read Playboy for the articles" thing ... sure, some people might have done so, but rather than admitting an guilty pleasure in thoughtful, intelligent writing, one could always pretend to be a normal person who just liked looking at pictures of comely young lasses, a bit incompletely dressed. |
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relentlessflame
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I honestly don't think some people understand the sort of editorial independence between the "news" and "views" sections of the site in the same way as people on the staff would see it. In a way, the seasonal previews are almost more like staff blogs around common themes that get collected as a feature for the sake of reader convenience. But because you're posting on ANN -- a "news website" -- people (for better or worse) hold you to a different standard than if it were on "Zac's Anime Reviews Blog". That isn't to say people wouldn't still feel offended if any reviewer implies by proxy that they're scum for their preferences... but then they'd just ignore it. Here, some people would feel "this lowers the tone of discussion on all of ANN" or "doesn't reflect professionally on the organization"... even though I don't think people on the inside would see it that way because those are "just opinions pieces". (Anyone that doesn't know by now that you consider large parts of the anime fanbase "creepy" clearly hasn't been paying attention. ^^; ) Then again, even the line between a "review" and an "editorial" is a bit fuzzy, and expectations differ between the two in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. I honestly see that both points of view have some validity based on where they're coming from. |
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Orange Hollow
Posts: 68 Location: Krasnoyarsk, Russia |
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Well, I just read Zac's KissxSis preview and I don't see why he deserves any blame for it. In fact I would stay away from anyone who have any other reaction to that show as far as possible. On the other hand, only 1.5 for Arakawa Under the Bridge - that's outrageous!
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Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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Thank you Zac for addressing this issue so sincerely. And yes the specific gripe that I had about your review is exactly what you presumed it was based on my non-specific generalization of what I had an issue with (sorry for not pointing it out so that you had to guess).
I really appreciate your honest reply too because lots of other commenters argued that you weren't out of line in the slightest and that my argument was weak and fallacious to any real issue. But what they pointed out is something I agree that I erred on and was wrong about. Reviews should not be free of opinion or bias and I want to take back that I said that, it is an unfair expectation for any of the reviewers to say those specifics should be avoided in order for a review to be informative and entertaining. But those same commenters kept harping on me about it when my complaint was actually about something entirely different: singling out certain fans in the anime community and passing judgement, making them feel like lesser individuals. This has little to do with bias or objectivity in any type of journalism. In contrast, Zac, your response hit the nail on the head with what I was concerned with, except for one minor detail:
I do want to express that I am sorry that I suggested a desire that your contribution to ANN be impacted. I never wished any permanent damage on your career, and never really thought any such thing could happen, I just felt this was deserving of a brief discussion between you and Tempest regarding behavior that I felt was irresponsible and needed improvement. I think this is a good type of constructive feedback, and maybe we all learned something positive from it. I hope. |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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Yay! World peace!
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dragon695
Posts: 1377 Location: Clemson, SC |
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But you see that Rebecca also felt Upotte!! was a steaming pile of shyte made explicitly for depraved lolicon otaku who spend all their money buying this crap. Honestly, Zac is a voice who needs to be heard because far too often these shows are given a pass simply because they feature cute girls. Really, just f**k that! Why not just make it hentai and be honest about their true intention? Zac's reviews are frank and hilarious. I see no reason to temper his emotions or his reactions. I LOVE HEARING WHAT HE REALLY THINKS! I know I am not alone. If you've got butthurt, too damn bad.
No, there is no need to promise or anything of the sort. I was mad at Carlo for his review of Rock Lee, but I got over it. I would suggest that the complainant fill out one of these: In other words: GET OVER IT! |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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I ah, think you're just a leetle too late to the argument, dude.
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Hiyugi
Posts: 59 |
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WTF...
Leave Zac alone, Zac's done a lot for this community than you never will. I swear what the hell is up with these butthurt Anime fans these days, they're more looney than usual. Some of these people need to get out more and get out of the damn closet. There's no reason to be so damn offensive, for no damn reason. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Er, I feel like we basically resolved this, so...
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