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Answerman - Why Is Japan's Population Declining?

Is he population decline really that bad of a thing?
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There are 7.4 billion people in the world with 11.2 billion expect in the year 2100.
The planet can't survive with this pressure. Is better to have a natural decline of population until a natural equilibrium is reached.

You're arguing semantics here. Come on, you should know where I was going at. But yes, assuming this region falls under your umbrella of progressive, give me reasons why you deem so.

Also, I wouldn't expect Japan to get too much more progressive when it comes to LGBT any time soon. Non-heterosexual relationships that don't end in offspring are the last thing Japanese society needs to be structurally encouraging right now.

Paiprince wrote:

You're arguing semantics here. Come on, you should know where I was going at. But yes, assuming this region falls under your umbrella of progressive, give me reasons why you deem so.

If I did I wouldn't have asked the question I did which for the record is no.

Aphasial wrote:

Also, I wouldn't expect Japan to get too much more progressive when it comes to LGBT any time soon. Non-heterosexual relationships that don't end in offspring are the last thing Japanese society needs to be structurally encouraging right now.

Where not really talking about encouraging it. Japan has an issue with pretending that homosexuality is something that doesn't exist......somehow.

Getting back to Japan, though. The biggest problems for them are economic, followed by cultural. If the population reduces to a lower point and then the birth rate stabilizes, then ... fine. You'll have economic problems in the short term and then less crowding in the major cities; basically it's a population correction. On the other hand, if the population drops and people *don't start having kids at replacement rate*, then you've got major problems well beyond that. Your society is literally dying; that's where the "death spiral" comes in. If there's no reason to think that Japanese men and young women are going to start hooking up more and having children, then the problem's still there.

The fact that 1/3 of the population has a self-described lack of interest in sex is, IMO, a MAJOR sign that Japan needs to address the problem on a cultural level. This isn't economic uncertainty; if worst comes to worse, the older population can literally pay people to have kids in the form of tax incentives. If people don't want to have kids or relationships at all, that's a different problem.


Also, I wouldn't expect Japan to get too much more progressive when it comes to LGBT any time soon. Non-heterosexual relationships that don't end in offspring are the last thing Japanese society needs to be structurally encouraging right now.

Non-heterosexual relationships that don't end in offspring are the last thing Japanese society needs to be structurally encouraging right now.

At the rate you're going, I might have better luck calling Atlantis progressive because you can't give me a straight answer.

And recognizing homosexuality is a non-issue because they.do.not.make.babies.period.

Biology says so.

You can whine until your fingers bleed, but the fact of the matter is as Aphasial said, there is nothing to be gained by suddenly addressing it exists into fixing their population problem.

Switching to more serious mode here, I agree that increased immigration is simply not an option for Japan unless attitudes there undergo a revolutionary change. History is destiny. Japan is one of the most homogenous countries in the world owing to its splendid isolation for most of its past.

I live in Canada, a country that is pretty successful in integrating immigrants. Immigration is the only reason our population has not declined. But we are pretty savvy about who we take in. Yes, we do take in refugees, but when it comes to immigration, we generally only let in people who have cash or skills.

The issue you seem to have is that you want me to give you an answer I'm under no obligation to give you. Why would I say South America is progressive when they're not and then explain why that is when Google and various articles waiting to be read are right there for you.

Hetero and homosexual people don't generally fall in love with each other with the end goal being having kids. In some instances having kids isn't even very practical.

You seem to ignore the fact that some people can't physically have kids despite what biology supposedly says.

And like I said and as you ignored that's not the issue. Japan's problem is that they treat it as some thing young people engage in and are supposed to grow out of once they get older. How can Japan encourage Homosexuality when they already pretend it's not a thing that actually exists?

Sidenote: To the people saying gays don't have children, uh, yeah, they do: Artificial insemination, surrogate mothers. Even adoption provides a service because your population increase is no good if the babies don't have the stable home environment needed to be raised into a healthy and productive adult.

There is something kind of hysterically absurd about people with cutesy anime avatars having a serious discussion advocating things like anti-miscegenation and eugenics.

And I'm sure a child being raised by two moms or two dads would lead to them having a normal childhood,

I know right. It's like everyone who has a cute girl avatar is expected to spout liberal opinions how everyone should join hands and sing Kumbaya collectively and everything will be peachy rainbows and unicorns.

Paiprince wrote:

And I'm sure a child being raised by two moms or two dads would lead to them having a normal childhood,

Given that virtually every credible study about children raised by same-sex parents says they do and end up no worse off than kids raised by straight parents? Yup.

Blood- wrote:

Switching to more serious mode here, I agree that increased immigration is simply not an option for Japan unless attitudes there undergo a revolutionary change. History is destiny. Japan is one of the most homogenous countries in the world owing to its splendid isolation for most of its past. I live in Canada, a country that is pretty successful in integrating immigrants. Immigration is the only reason our population has not declined. But we are pretty savvy about who we take in. Yes, we do take in refugees, but when it comes to immigration, we generally only let in people who have cash or skills.

THANK YOU! I was going to bring this up with all of the anti-immigration/multicultural rhetoric: Canada is a prime example of where this has worked.

Immigration is best done when immigrants are treated as new and fresh economic/ intellectual/ social vegetables that must be tossed into the salad but hold value as their own individuals: A salad's no damn good with either extreme of having the veggies in separate compartments or having only one veggie.
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There is something kind of hysterically absurd about people with cutesy anime avatars having a serious discussion advocating things like anti-miscegenation and eugenics.

This is certainly an entertaining thread, if nothing else

Switching to more serious mode here, I agree that increased immigration is simply not an option for Japan unless attitudes there undergo a revolutionary change. History is destiny. Japan is one of the most homogenous countries in the world owing to its splendid isolation for most of its past.

I live in Canada, a country that is pretty successful in integrating immigrants. Immigration is the only reason our population has not declined. But we are pretty savvy about who we take in. Yes, we do take in refugees, but when it comes to immigration, we generally only let in people who have cash or skills.