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krelyan
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This stuff is so asinine. I see this all time with similar complaints like, "If you only watch anime from Adult Swim/Toonami, you're not really a fan." Why do you care if someone wants to call themselves anime fans? Does it affect you somehow? By the way, someone that watches the "Big 3" (I assume Naruto, Bleach, One Piece?) probably has devoted more hours to anime than most "true fans." 
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Charred Knight
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I personally stayed away from Mecha discussions for over 5 years because I got tired of people being dicks to each other just because they liked a certain anime.
"Well you clearly know nothing about Gundam if you think ______ was any good" You cant deal with these people because they treat a different opinion like their being personally insulted. Look at how people treat Anita Sarkeesian like dirt. constantly going over her past to find something she said to belittle her opinions. They treat her opinions like they are some radical uber feminist creed when her entire video series is mainly a discussion on how lazy some people are when it comes to writing. |
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machetecat
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So, like, when Naruto was incredibly popular and still within the first 200 episodes, I had found it to be *okay*. I was a big Yu Yu Hakusho fan, and I found that, to me, a lot of fighting Shounen was very much a "you see it once, you see it all". YYH, to me, was miles better than Naruto, so I thought it was alright, but I got bored of it very quickly. I didn't really care either way... SO, first instance, an ex-friend who I used to loan/borrow shows with borrowed my Full Metal Panic DVDs, and then REFUSED TO GIVE THEM BACK TO ME UNTIL I HAD FINISHED THE FIRST 150 GODDAMN EPISODES OF NARUTO. Because the Chuunin exam was going to *change* everything and suddenly I would be head over heels for it or something... ...and instead I just forced myself to slog through 150 episodes of predictable-as-hell shounen fighting that irritated me to no end, because for ninjas these people wore VERY bright outfits and all the loves stories and angst character arcs were something I had seen a million times already. Kakashi's character was interesting, as I tend to like silly/troll characters like him, but that was it, and he's not carrying the whole damn story, especially the beginning. But I finished the damn thing and then told the guy that my opinion of the show didn't change, and thank god he gave me my stuff back but I could never trust him or his tastes again. And then there's the time where I was in a random anime forum, and some kid kept talking to me about Naruto, so finally I told him I didn't really like it... and then he CUSSED ME OUT. WHY is that worth cussing me out over???? And then I kept getting harrassed by hate mail over this damn show by people because I didn't like it, like, holy shit I didn't even do anything I just didn't like the damn show it's not like I said the thing was shit or compared it to... Idr what the equivalent of Twilight would have been back then but yeah! And that's just one story. Fans have stolen hats off of my head because it was a character they liked. I have feared for my life because another girl and I like the same male character from Fruits Basket, and she just COULD NOT HAVE any competition for her "boyfriend". I have been called names because I liked/did not like something. I have been mocked over liking silly shows. People have thrown porn in my face because they found out it made me uncomfortable. People have gotten violent over ships, and people have gotten violent because fangirls made something a ship... ... and I don't even want to get into the horrible experiences I had because I really liked Oreimo, but was extremely upset that the title of the show wasn't a joke. The only saving grace is that, with all the vile garbage that has been thrown in my direction fandom-wise, I have also met some wonderful people, made friends, and managed to find myself healthier places to chat about my fandoms. It helps that I'm just another face in the crowd, as well, so no one's actively seeking me out. The only negative places I still visit are these forums, but the issues are usually only a handful of people, and I rarely interact with them, so this is usually more of an entertainment for me than a place to discuss things. But yeah, if I had to spend my anime fandom dealing with horribly negative people I don't like, then I would have quit 10 years ago. Half the fun of a goddamn anime is interacting with fans of the show. Dealing with trolls and constant hate would just suck any fun out of watching anything. |
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Spotlesseden
Posts: 3514 Location: earth |
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i don't think there is anyway for me to get out of burnout.
For me, burnout = i don't like something. If i don't like something anymore, i won't comeback. Example, I won't play MMO, Pokemon game, or watch super hero movie anymore. I won't the new pokemon and people can't force me to watch the new batman. I use Roku, I think on CR and Amazon video, there are genres under anime section. Not sure about netflix. Before anyone ask. No, CR is not just for anime. There are TV series and live active movies too. yes, Amazon has anime. I just watched all the RahXephon for free over there.
I never see anyone post like that. Then again maybe i don't go to many forum. They only response something this "Well you clearly know nothing about Gundam if you think ______ was any good". If you go to their forum and try to say other another mech show is better than their Gundam shows. I think in that case, you are the one that is wrong. Recent example is people go to SAO forum and talk shit about SAO. Then Those people need to expect other people to talk back. I learned, I don't like Kill la Kill, but I would never post on the Kill la Kill topic in ANN |
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Rextyn
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Disclaimer 1: Have not heard the podcast yet, but see where some of this is going RE: "fandom."
Disclaimer 2: None of the following statements are aimed at Zac/Bamboo/anyone who needs to deal with anime fandom as part of their job. That's a whole different ball of wax. That said, I've never been able to fathom the idea that an anime fan (or fan of any given medium/genre/property - anime is a medium BTW) is somehow compelled to interact with or otherwise internalize the "conventional wisdom" of "teh fandom." I'm not just talking about the disturbing trend of people internalizing their entertainment to such a toxic degree that if someone disagrees with them (no matter how mildly) it's the end of the world. I mean basically at all. To wit: about 10 years ago I was a member of a long dead web discussion forum (sort of like MeFi but not). It was not anime focused in the least, but there was a decent cadre of anime fans in the usual crowd. Sometimes there were threads about anime, or sometimes we just sniffed each other out and talked. This was around the time that FMA was "a thing" and I suggested to a pal that she might want to check it out since it's a good property, shared tastes, and all that. She appreciated the suggestion and agreed that she would probably dig it, but declined to pursue the tip since she "didn't have time to get wrapped up in the fandom." And I had no conception of why the lack of desire/time to participate in a pointless internet stew of opinions, cosplay themes, and sexytime shipping had any impact on one's ability to just watch a show that was airing on TV for free (or Crunchyroll for your $7/mo if we're talking about the modern era). It's just there, like it or don't like it. Yes, it's nice to shoot the shit about stuff you like with other folks that like the stuff you like. But it's just cartoons, nothing more, and certainly not serious business. |
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Tenchi
 Posts: 4478 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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About ten years ago, I was suffering anime burnout big time.
Then Japan started making moé slice-of-life series. I haven't felt burnout since. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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Anime discussion boards are like the internet at large. Gathering of people where group think is in action. One thing I enjoy is entering threads about series I dislike and say so in plain terms. And then watch how all the participants fall over themselves to convince me I somehow got it wrong because "oh my god you can't hate this anime". It's the best thing since sliced bread. Mecha boards are no different in this regard. You'll find mecha fans that ARE only Gundam fans. There are Gundam fans that won't understand you can be a Gundam fan without falling in love with all the Gundam series. Etc... There are mecha fans that declare that the one true Gundam is found in the UC continuity and all else be damned. And so forth and so on. Nothing is as disruptive as saying "I like Gundam ZZ and hate Gundam Z for this and this reason....". Then sit back, eat a bag of popcorns and watch the chaos ensue. 
Never ever take anime seriously. I'm not a professional writer, I don't write about anime so maybe not taking anime seriously is a luxury I can afford to say. |
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Kikaioh
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You face-palm just because people aren't aware of certain series you know about? That sounds like you have a superiority complex (which is how I'd feel about anyone who projects arbitrary personal standards to try and define other people's fandom). Not just that, but in someone else's eyes you yourself could very well be the chaff that gets separated from the proverbial wheat, just because you don't watch enough shows/don't watch certain genres of shows/don't own enough merchandise/speak the language/live in Japan/etc. The way I see it, if you like something enough to call yourself a fan of it, that makes you a fan. You can apply your standards to yourself, and maybe you can even use those standards to color your perceptions of other people, but you're definitely crossing a line when you start telling people what they can and can't call themselves. Commenting on the Podcast, I did agree with Bamboo about the approach to "Cool Japan". It seems like the Japanese govt. is aware that anime has international appeal, but they aren't too clear on the sorts of shows that have actually been popular overseas (like Dragon Ball, Cowboy Bebop, Inu Yasha and Full Metal Alchemist) and are instead taking a more blanket approach and promoting a fair bit more on the Japanese otaku side of things instead. I also agree with Bamboo about Kill la Kill, since it's definitely in the vein of the sorts of shows that got me into the fandom in the first place (which makes sense, since the production team has mentioned already that the show is heavily inspired by 70's/80's anime). I think it goes to show just how much tropes and cultural sensibilities have changed over the years --- Kill la Kill feels like it spiritually could have sat well in the era of Project A-ko and the Abashiri Family, what with its action-packed, wacky, sexy sense of entertainment. It's been a long time since I've been excited about a series, so I'm really glad a show like Kill la Kill is able to exist. |
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DmonHiro
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Well, that's not an internet argument anymore, is it? That's an "time to call the cops" argument.
I stand by what I said, ON THE INTERNET. Not in the real world. trust me, I understand bullying, but I do not understand internet bullying. I understand how someone at school or work can intimidate and bully you. I do not understand how someone can do yo ONLINE. Sure, if he come to your house over an internet argument, yeah, but as long as it's only online, I don't understand how people can be affected by it, and claim it's bullying, as long s it does not cross the legal barrier (posting someone address/phone number, and other stalker crap) If I go to a forum and call you a "filthy casual fag" every time I see one of your posts, I am a douche bag, but you hardly have the right to call yourself "bullied". |
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Blood-
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That is a really stupid statement. In 2013, what kind of complete moron doesn't understand that bullying doesn't just refer to physical threats or action? I guess you live in a cave where no news reports can reach, but people are driven to suicide by cyber-bullying all the time. Canada is currently introducing legislation to make cyber-bullying a crime in response to some recent high profile cyber-bullying cases. Could you please make an effort in the future not to be so achingly idiotic? Thanks in advance. |
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Leebo
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You realize that just because you're on the Internet that doesn't mean you're not a "real person", right? People don't just become "real people" when they stop using the Internet and meet you in the same physical location. My rule of thumb is that if saying the same thing in person would make it bullying, it's bullying. There's no reason to make a distinction for "we're not standing next to each other". I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but that's really the only justification I can think of for saying things to someone online that you wouldn't say in person. The idea that you're just talking to a picture, and not a person. |
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DmonHiro
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I know what cyber-bullying is. I just don't understand it. I don't understand how it can affect someone. I understand real bullying, since I was a victim in school, but I cannot phantom feeling upset because of what someone said about me on the internet. I do not understand how people can be affected by cussing and name calling on the internet. Why do you care? Why are you affected by it?
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Leebo
Posts: 660 Location: Somerville, MA |
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If you understand that calling people names and being unpleasant toward them on a regular basis can make someone upset in some situations, I don't see why it's hard to understand this situation. As Blood- was saying, what makes something bullying isn't the fact that they could take it beyond verbal abuse and actually physically harm you. Verbal abuse is verbal abuse regardless of where it comes from.
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DmonHiro
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But why do you CARE? Why do you care about someone who doesn't know you, you don't know, says? If a random stranger on the street stopped and called you a fag to you face,because you enjoy Breaking Bad, and were talking to your friends about it, then walked away, the standard reaction would be "What the hell was that?" and then walking away wondering who that nut was. So why doesn't the same apply online?
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Leebo
Posts: 660 Location: Somerville, MA |
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That's not bullying, that's just a random outburst. It doesn't apply to your "calling someone a filthy casual fag on a message board every time you see them" example.
On a message board, you're not just a random stranger. We may not know your name, but it's not comparable to a random outburst from someone you truly have never interacted with and wouldn't ever interact with again. How about this? What if I dialed a random phone number and shouted obscenities at that person. And then I dialed it every day. I don't know who they are or where they are, why should it bother them? |
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