Forum - View topicTrends in hyperviolence in anime.
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wcsinn
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All I said was that only a few were contributing to a discussion of anything, the majority of the thread has degenerated into a list of anime that may or may not contain violence. In that context, it has degenerated. Here is another example of putting words in my mouth ... where did I say all was futile. I find the insinuation that I could contribute a bit insulting. Have I not contributed simply because I largely disagree with the popular opinion? I gave a definition, a controversial one, but no one else has offered a definition at all. I observed that discussion of a topic poorly defined is almost impossible because no one is sure what the other commenter actually meant. That's not to say that people aren't entitled to their opinions, simply an observation that it is hard to discuss what you can not fully understand. I questioned how one can say there is trend to towards 'hyper-violence' and then state that there have been very few of these types of shows over the past couple of seasons. Isn't that contradictory? Well off to work - maybe more later if you're interested. |
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dtm42
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The reason why we haven't been debating the definition of "hyperviolence" is because most of us are well aware of what Key means by "hyperviolence". There's no need to discuss what is already fairly obvious.
In fact, pretty much the only person who doesn't know is you, wcsinn. There's violence, and then there's violence that makes normal violence look tame by comparison, i.e. hyperviolence. A guy punching another guy in the face casing the victim to fall over and leaving a small bruise that is gone before the episode ends is violence. A guy punching another guy in the face so hard that the jaw detaches and is sent flying is hyperviolence. A sword slicing into an arm leaving a cut and causing some drops of blood to hit the ground is violence. A sword being thrown so hard it embeds itself in a guys neck with blood gushing everywhere, that's hyperviolence. Guy gets beaten up by some bullies in an alleyway and then goes home and mopes is violence. Guy gets kidnapped, stripped naked and tortured until his mind breaks and he chokes to death on his own intestines is hyperviolence. Guy breaks another guy's neck cleanly with no blood and a simple sound effect is violence. Guy rips off another guy's head and pulls the spine - still somehow attached to the head - out of the body is hyperviolence. Do I need to go on? There are as many levels of violence as there are ways to hurt someone. However, most people instinctively know what 'normal' violence is and when it crosses the line to become hyperviolence. Last edited by dtm42 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:36 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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I want to know what the ulterior motive is. Surely by now, it can be released to the public, right?
I wish I could offer more to the discussion, but I can't. Simply put, my memory does no justice toward this discussion because I can't package "ultra violence" into a title that's non-memorable. I've seen Deadman Wonderland and I recall no scenes of ultra violence. No, I do not need a reminder as I couldn't care less. I felt the overall series was forgettable, so it's not surprising I recall nothing of it. Two of my favorites, When They Cry and Elfen Lied remain memorable because of what they did: went beyond the scope of adult bloodshed and brought in children. Call me cynical to believe this wouldn't have the same impact if the kids weren't involved. When something goes that far out to capture the audience, it tends to stick with them. High School of the Dead, to me, doesn't count because it's a zombie movie and any gore within it is standard expectation, when the emphasis is on survival, and not one who has become a zombie and has to deal with it. I'll also point out there's a flaw with the "science" behind tracking these types of series, as noted with the "drop off" in the early 2000s, and that's because production committees copycat successes by emulating elements (they believe) suddenly become popular. I don't think anyone where will deny the early 2000s is also when anime started getting bombarded with the moe invasion, which quickly "infested" the industry and remains to this day. If there is a resurgence in the making, then one should ask what series ignited it. Could it be the mildly successful High School of the Dead? The re-release/booting of another classic series? Something triggered it, and you can bet if the audience paid to see it, there's going to be more of it coming, even if it means in the form of a series where a guy is lapping up the saliva of another classmate. I believe the goal is more "shock value" than hyperviolence, as this tends to do well in regard to word of mouth. Ask yourself this: did you check out Mysterious Girlfriend X because it sounded good or the talk about the saliva? Heh. I've yet to see it, but I'll admit the hype definitely has me interested in it, not the actual show itself. I'm not afraid to admit this, because if fans feel disgusted by something, I'm like a moth to a flame. This is how I discovered Elfen Lied and When They Cray, two titles whose descriptions don't come close of telling us what it actually delivers. Well, that's all I can add. My apologies for not giving more examples to the discussion, but when you've seen anime as long as I have, you'll too discover series simply vanish from memory because they're forgettable, regardless how violent they were (or were not). |
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dragoneyes001
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by that criteria ^ neon genesis which Key would definitely denounce as unfitting is Hyperviolent. the battle scenes with the angels showed way beyond simple impacts and "blood"shed but it doesn't qualify because they are robots fighting even though each fight seems to make the pilots spew blood like fountains. |
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dtm42
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Well, violence against giant monsters is a bit removed from violence against humans.
I would argue that there are some parts of Neon Genesis Evangelion that are definitely hyperviolent. Like when spoiler[Unit 01 decides it's a bit peckish and snacks on Zeruel, and Unit 02 getting savaged by the mass-produced Evas in the movie with all the entrails and oh my god that was scary.] But is Evangelion violent enough overall to be considered hyperviolent? I don't know. Last edited by dtm42 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:03 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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One-Eye
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Since this isn't getting the thread anywhere I will attempt to get back to discussing anime. |
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Tris8
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To add to what others have said, we are not just listing extremely violent shows just for the sake of it wcsinn. The purpose of the list is so that when it is more complete, we should be able to see a trend in the amount of hyper-violent shows per year. From this, we may even be able to pinpoint a 'culprit' causing a resurgence.
On that note, adding to the list: Kai Doh Maru (2001), Nekojiru Gekijō (1999), Kurozuka (2008), and Judge (1991). And for a couple more 'memory isn't serving me well' titles: Armitage III (1995), Blue Gender (1999), Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage (2006), and Btooom! (2012). |
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One-Eye
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1. Afro Samurai seems to be invested in trying to be cool whether its through its music, visuals, dialogue or choice of voice actors. So is the violence then made cool too? 2. Black Lagoon series is soaked in violence. We have high body counts, murder, the killing of children, maiming, beheading, etc. But it also has its elements of dark humor. Does the humor distract us from the violence and therefore make it more appealing? So, do the warmer moments of Sword of the Stranger make the violence appear less shocking? Do some works appear not to qualify for an extreme violence tag because other elements in the work help to downplay it?
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Tris8
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Key
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I'm nixing Blue Gender as qualifying for this list, as it's more intense than intensely graphic. The Armitage III properties don't get especially graphic, either. Btooom! is iffy for making the cut, too.
And NGE is more a case of having a couple of extreme scenes than being generally hyperviolent. I'd even apply that to End of Evangelion. As for others that qualify, the first Mardock Scramble movie absolutely (and, I think, uncontestably) does; the second one is more ambiguous, though. |
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