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louis6578
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:50 am
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I wonder if an English distributor is even going to pick this one up. It seems most of us have the same disdain for Watsuki, and while some are willing to try and separate the art from the artist and view it anyway for free somewhere, I think most of us can agree that we're reluctant to give him any kind of money.
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Ryuji-Dono
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:08 am
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Aniplex of America tweeted this show. This means they have it.
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faboo95
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:50 am
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Though I get Watsuki is an issue for some, and I definitely get why, I do find it funny how judgemental people can get for those who can separate the creator from his creation. And I find it's rather hypocritical as well: the clothes you're wearing and the land you're living on (if you're in North America) probably has some bad history behind it as well, but I don't see anyone making a huge fuss over those things.
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flamemasterelan
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:56 am
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First, I've seen nobody cast aspersions towards the people who are willing to consume the show. It's only towards people trying to downplay or excuse Watsuki's crimes.
Second, we have movements in the states to increase workers' rights through unions, as well as to stop companies from using sweatshop labor. The civil rights of Native Americans is also a continued struggle. You just don't see people talking about it here because this is an anime news site, and workers rights in clothing manufacture and the civil rights of a minority group in America is strangely not relevant to anime all that frequently. In short, this is just BS whataboutism.
"Sure, sexually abusing children is bad, but you also wear clothes."
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faboo95
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:32 pm
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flamemasterelan wrote: | First, I've seen nobody cast aspersions towards the people who are willing to consume the show. It's only towards people trying to downplay or excuse Watsuki's crimes.
Second, we have movements in the states to increase workers' rights through unions, as well as to stop companies from using sweatshop labor. The civil rights of Native Americans is also a continued struggle. You just don't see people talking about it here because this is an anime news site, and workers rights in clothing manufacture and the civil rights of a minority group in America is strangely not relevant to anime all that frequently. In short, this is just BS whataboutism.
"Sure, sexually abusing children is bad, but you also wear clothes." |
Ah the irony of the whataboutism accusation, when bringing up the authors past misdeeds can be labelled as such as well. Also my point wasn't the fact that nothing was being done regarding those issues or that they should be discussed in these forms, but the simply pointing out the hypocrisy that there's definitely people on here who have trouble separating the artist from their art and yet can easily ignore issues that would obviously be an inconvenience to them.
No matter, call it "BS" if you want, I'm gonna continue to lurk and eat my popcorn and enjoy the entertainment.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:43 pm
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faboo95 wrote: | Ah the irony of the whataboutism accusation, when bringing up the authors past misdeeds can be labelled as such as well. |
Inaccurately. And I don't think it's reasonable to criticize people talking about not watching Kenshin as a matter of conscience on the grounds that they don't, as far as you know, do every other thing you can think of that you would consider "a matter of conscience" as well.
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flamemasterelan
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:02 am
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faboo95 wrote: | Ah the irony of the whataboutism accusation, when bringing up the authors past misdeeds can be labelled as such as well. Also my point wasn't the fact that nothing was being done regarding those issues or that they should be discussed in these forms, but the simply pointing out the hypocrisy that there's definitely people on here who have trouble separating the artist from their art and yet can easily ignore issues that would obviously be an inconvenience to them.
No matter, call it "BS" if you want, I'm gonna continue to lurk and eat my popcorn and enjoy the entertainment. |
Okay, so you seem to not understand the meaning of the term "whataboutism", nor "separating the art from the artist". A whataboutism is responding to accusations with a counter accusation or raising an entirely different issue. There is no initial accusation here. People are mostly saying that they are uncomfortable supporting a creator who has recently used his earnings to purchase child pornography. There's no initial accusation, just a frank statement on why they won't support the project.
As for separating the art from the artist, pretty much everyone here is dong that as we speak. Separating the art from the artist is necessary in critique, so that you avoid conflating the artist's views and beliefs with that of the story he's presented. For an example of this, if someone called Rurouni Kenshin "pedophilic trash" because of its writer, they would be failing to separate the art from the artist. Instead, what we have is a group of people who are, as I mentioned, uncomfortable supporting the creator and have said nothing but positive things about the original work.
Also, unless you know everyone who's spoken against this personally, I wouldn't go accusing them of not caring about the issues you've raised. Because unless you have direct proof that their interests or goals run contrary, it's rather ignorant to make generalized accusations.
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