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NEWS: Manga Creator Ken Akamatsu Wins Seat in Japan's House of Councillors


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FeelMyBlade



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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Oh fun, this guy. Most recent thing I remember was that awful propaganda comic centering himself and Taro Yamada as LDP RPG-style heroes who's enemies shout attack names like "affirmative action" or "supererogation."


The people who complain about mangaka making "propaganda", are also the same people who are the first ones to try to push a narrative that a mangaka or show is saying something they agree with. Does anyone remember when people tried to say Promare was making a statement on ICE because the villains had ice powers and Trigger had to state in an interview that that wasn't their intention at all when the interviewer pressed them to say it? I agree with Wyvern's point that people only think something is political if it's somethin they disagree with, but it's a very clear two way street. People love "propaganda" when it's agreeing with them. The only difference is Japanese media tends to go against what a lot of American media are doing right now. So rather than people complaining about liberal or feminist propaganda in the MCU, we get people complaining about conservative and sexist propaganda in shonen manga.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:24 pm Reply with quote
MarshalBanana wrote:
cchigu wrote:
As long as they keep my anime away from political propaganda and pushing some sort of narrative, I will be good.
Do not worry, I'm sure they will.


Nah!

Western money will make sure that doesn't happen. Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine. Do you think it's a coincidence that Ayakashi Triangle left the magazine right after mangaplus refused to publish some chapters?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:34 pm Reply with quote
Casval Rem Deikun wrote:
This is about the protection of artists and writers in manga/anime. What some of the other comments mean about feminists is that: artists should not be stopped or told to change their work because people feel offended by it.


People should be able to make what they want, but if some people think that thing is crap or regressive, they should also be allowed to say it. It's up to the artist whether they want to ignore criticism or consider it when making their work or not. If they read criticism, consider those view points, and come to the conclusion that it has value then it isn't "censorship" or "foreign influence" that led to that change. If Reki Kawahara can hear arguments from readers about how Asuna was treated in earlier volumes of Sword Art Online and decide "ah, I see where you're coming from, I hadn't thought of that" and go on to adapt his later writings, why is that a problem?

Japan's legal and social relationship with child sexual abuse images (as in actual photographs of actual human beings) is complicated and unique compared to other countries. I've always been curious how the lax laws surrounding this for so long influenced the propagation of sexual content (drawings, comics, anime) and attitudes around it. Recently there has been more push back on this aspect of Japanese culture from places like the UN and members of the Diet. No one really wants the international reputation of the place for graphic drawn pornography of child-like characters. This might have been easier to have off on the side, but Japan has been pushing 'softpower' for things like anime and manga for well over a decade now and the industry is now taking in more international money than domestic.

Any way you slice it, Akamatsu's position has been that this kind of drawn pornographic content is victimless and those that produce and consume it are not criminals, which is true. I think his opinion that the only people who find it morally repugnant or don't want Japan associated with it are "feminists" or foreign entities is ridiculous. The call is coming from inside the house here.

Changeman wrote:
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Nah!

Western money will make sure that doesn't happen. Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine. Do you think it's a coincidence that Ayakashi Triangle left the magazine right after mangaplus refused to publish some chapters?


Your sequence of events is wrong.

Ayakashi Triangle began in Shonen Jump in June 2020 and was optioned for an anime before the year was out. Viz/Manga Plus opted not to publish two chapters of the manga. As opposed to leaving the magazine "right after" that, it was moved to Jump+ three months later. It ran for eight volumes in the magazine before the move. It was also licensed by Seven Seas before it moved to Jump+. Even when Viz decided it was too spicy, a different publisher came in to release it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:30 pm Reply with quote
Changeman wrote:
MarshalBanana wrote:
cchigu wrote:
As long as they keep my anime away from political propaganda and pushing some sort of narrative, I will be good.
Do not worry, I'm sure they will.


Nah!

Western money will make sure that doesn't happen. Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine. Do you think it's a coincidence that Ayakashi Triangle left the magazine right after mangaplus refused to publish some chapters?


Nice conspiracy theory, but you're kinda forgetting that Mangaplus is owned by Shueisha. So no "Western Money" influenced that decision. Also if you're going to bat for ecchi manga, isn't it a good thing the series is now published on Jump+, and thus has theoretically more leeway in what kind of content it can have rather than the restrictions of the magazine?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:38 pm Reply with quote
Casval Rem Deikun wrote:

Artists should be able to tell and do whatever they want without worry. It's freedom of expression.


Tell that to Germany - they once banned a man who wrote a book!


Changeman wrote:

Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine.


If its supporters are not supporting the circulation resulting in declining circulation numbers, then a business is expected to look for more business elsewhere


ANN_Lynzee wrote:

People should be able to make what they want, but if some people think that thing is crap or regressive, they should also be allowed to say it. It's up to the artist whether they want to ignore criticism or consider it when making their work or not. If they read criticism, consider those view points, and come to the conclusion that it has value then it isn't "censorship" or "foreign influence" that led to that change.


Look at the authors of Jaws and The Anarchist Cookbook - they changed their minds about their books


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Scias



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:39 pm Reply with quote
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I'm really happy for him. I hope he can lead efforts to introduce protections for freedom of expression, safeguards for authors, publishers and advertisers against radical feminist censorship, and legislation that is good for the manga and anime industry. Good luck Akamatsu-san!


Yes, especially notorious radical feminist pro-censorship groups such as *checks notes* The National Diet
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:42 pm Reply with quote
This is very good news! It's great to have a free-speech activist with some political power.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:43 pm Reply with quote
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Akamatsu's main platform has always been fighting back against the regulation of Japanese media from foreign groups like the UN even before he got into politics. He's criticized things like feminism, affirmative action, and other concepts that have threatened creative freedom in anime and manga


As noted in the articles, one of Ken Akamatsu's earliest political efforts was his opposition to adding manga and anime into "harmful publications" laws. A chief proponent of adding manga and anime into those laws was former Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara, who eventually launched the far-right Japan Restoration Party.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:15 pm Reply with quote
There were complaints from parents about Ayakashi Triangle, just like most other ecchi manga in Jump. Moving that manga to Jump+ is a good thing for pretty much everyone, I think - since it's on a web app/only sold physically in volumes, it's less likely for a kid to randomly come across it, which means no complaints from parents, and the authors get more freedom since it isn't held to the standards of a magazine that's ostensibly for young kids. And it's not like there's any real reduction in audience due to being in jump+, spyxfamily is a jump+ series and is massive.

It'd be one thing if Ayakashi got cancelled, but the move to Jump+ is probably something the author agreed with. Certainly, they seem to be enjoying the laxer restrictions on that platform.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:28 pm Reply with quote
939369Great wrote:
Awesome news for Japan. It's nice that some people here are having a massive meltdown because a man who fights for freedom of expression has a place in Japan's politics now. Congrats, Ken Akamatsu. I hope you convince your government to remove silly censors in hentai and JAV.

This is your only other post here:
939369Great wrote:
Wow. I thought this is going to be a great show about idol girls. And then this surprise self-insert guy came in. Something that Idolmaster and Cross Ange pulled off. Lycoris Recoil also has this trope too. This is so BS. Enough of this crap already, Japan. Not every show about girls need a goddamn guy as the audience's stand-in

Why are you for restricting freedom of expression and demanding Japan change? Sounds like you aren't really supportive of ol' Ken.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:58 pm Reply with quote
ANN_Lynzee wrote:
Casval Rem Deikun wrote:
This is about the protection of artists and writers in manga/anime. What some of the other comments mean about feminists is that: artists should not be stopped or told to change their work because people feel offended by it.


People should be able to make what they want, but if some people think that thing is crap or regressive, they should also be allowed to say it. It's up to the artist whether they want to ignore criticism or consider it when making their work or not. If they read criticism, consider those view points, and come to the conclusion that it has value then it isn't "censorship" or "foreign influence" that led to that change. If Reki Kawahara can hear arguments from readers about how Asuna was treated in earlier volumes of Sword Art Online and decide "ah, I see where you're coming from, I hadn't thought of that" and go on to adapt his later writings, why is that a problem?

Japan's legal and social relationship with child sexual abuse images (as in actual photographs of actual human beings) is complicated and unique compared to other countries. I've always been curious how the lax laws surrounding this for so long influenced the propagation of sexual content (drawings, comics, anime) and attitudes around it. Recently there has been more push back on this aspect of Japanese culture from places like the UN and members of the Diet. No one really wants the international reputation of the place for graphic drawn pornography of child-like characters. This might have been easier to have off on the side, but Japan has been pushing 'softpower' for things like anime and manga for well over a decade now and the industry is now taking in more international money than domestic.

Any way you slice it, Akamatsu's position has been that this kind of drawn pornographic content is victimless and those that produce and consume it are not criminals, which is true. I think his opinion that the only people who find it morally repugnant or don't want Japan associated with it are "feminists" or foreign entities is ridiculous. The call is coming from inside the house here.

Changeman wrote:
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Nah!

Western money will make sure that doesn't happen. Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine. Do you think it's a coincidence that Ayakashi Triangle left the magazine right after mangaplus refused to publish some chapters?


Your sequence of events is wrong.

Ayakashi Triangle began in Shonen Jump in June 2020 and was optioned for an anime before the year was out. Viz/Manga Plus opted not to publish two chapters of the manga. As opposed to leaving the magazine "right after" that, it was moved to Jump+ three months later. It ran for eight volumes in the magazine before the move. It was also licensed by Seven Seas before it moved to Jump+. Even when Viz decided it was too spicy, a different publisher came in to release it.




There's a big difference in between critics and demanding that work change to suit your tastes. People talking and criticizing how SAO depicted Asuna is different from people saying that ecchi shows should be reduced or that characters shouldn't act in certain ways.


Every country relationship with sexual fantasies and relations regarding children is unique and complex, just look at the US, there's no Loli culture, but there's child marriages and beauty pageants. Also, see the western popularity of things like Prisma IIliya, Kunoichi Tsubaki, a angel flew upon me, it's not like we're all against those shows.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:02 pm Reply with quote
939369Great wrote:
I hope you convince your government to remove silly censors in hentai and JAV.

As of yet that's not even part of his official policy, which includes protecting freedom of expression, copyright enforcement against pirate sites, protection of derivative and transformative works, better working conditions and compensation for animators/illustrators/etc, a public archive of creative works, exporting Japanese culture, investing in research and technology, etc.

Especially JAV, for all I know he'd be in favor of heavier regulation of it; it's a bit harder to argue that it's victimless...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:28 pm Reply with quote
Changeman wrote:
Just look at Shueisha's actions with Shounen Jump currently eliminating ecchi from the magazine. Do you think it's a coincidence that Ayakashi Triangle left the magazine right after mangaplus refused to publish some chapters?


This is not the first time this has happened. To Love Ru moved from WSJ to Jump Square in 2009. Before that, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Bastard!!, and plenty of other series were moved from WSJ to Ultra Jump. WSJ has always relocated series that they felt were being held back by the magazine's restrictions on violence and sex since at least the 80s. This is an odd way to frame Ayakashi Triangle being free to be more explicit now than ever now that it's free from WSJ's kiddy magazine standards.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:04 pm Reply with quote
939369Great wrote:
Awesome news for Japan. It's nice that some people here are having a massive meltdown because a man who fights for freedom of expression has a place in Japan's politics now. Congrats, Ken Akamatsu. I hope you convince your government to remove silly censors in hentai and JAV.


Eh? Massive meltdown? I see literally nobody here doing that. All I see is people voicing their opinions and giving criticism, y'know the things adults do, and others fist pumping in victory against the imaginary enemy they've invented that wants to take all their anime away.

Opinions aren't binary either. As mentioned before I personally really like his work (Staring at my bookshelf with A.I. Love You, Love Hina, Negima!, and UQ Holder! right now) and support artist expression and loose copyright for fan works (A La Zun's approach with Touhou), but disagree with the view that their should be no limits at all and have concerns with his recent painting with a wide brush of all detractors as "Radical Feminists." It's possible to like a thing or person but not like literally everything they stand for.
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Congratulation to him. May he have a long and successful career.
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