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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:02 am Reply with quote
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Fanservice and Sex have basically been the mainstream for thousands of years as far as humanity is concerned, especially in the type of games that compile heart makes, and given the nature of games from japan and anime from the country in general. So no you actually have the opposite of mainstream taste, which does in fact put you in the minority.

You remind me of one of those people who goes to see a horror movie and then is mortified because they show blood or death.


Last I checked, bras and panties getting snapped off of beautiful women was not a common thing in mainstream media anywhere in the world (not even Japan). Not everyone is a horndog, and the world isn't a frat house. When you DO get a fanservice work of fiction reaching the mainstream, like Baywatch or Catwoman, it becomes an instant target of mockery, and the only bestseller lists and box office victories they get are within their own categories.

(Also, I don't watch horror movies as they don't appeal to me, but when I do, I just logic away all the scariness. I do enjoy stuff from Stephen King though, as his stories are pretty thought-provoking.)
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I never really understood why people have to pick one over the other. It's like a lot of these fabricated "wars". I just really like both!
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I really don't mind either. Sometimes, I will dive into something fanservice-oriented myself. But it has to be something that can stand on its own too. This means I will start to dislike a work of entertainment if the fanservice starts overtaking things that should take priority over it, or if a product's marketing is constantly playing up its fanservice without telling me what else should be interesting about it.

That's what I mean in Compile Heart's fading away for me. The first Neptunia game was pretty neat, if flawed, because of its personification of the game business and the parodies that came with it. Every subsequent game had become less about that, which turned me off.

I probably wouldn't be annoyed with it had it been just as much about the fanservice from the start as it is now. What annoys me is that it started as one thing and morphed into something else.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:45 am Reply with quote
relyat08 wrote:
I never really understood why people have to pick one over the other. It's like a lot of these fabricated "wars". I just really like both!
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I think, especially for those with less common preferences, some of it is about solidarity with one's comrades so to speak, as one can see above as it happens. This only goes so far though, as people with some preferences would rather not identify publicly as having them.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:52 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
I really don't mind either. Sometimes, I will dive into something fanservice-oriented myself. But it has to be something that can stand on its own too. This means I will start to dislike a work of entertainment if the fanservice starts overtaking things that should take priority over it, or if a product's marketing is constantly playing up its fanservice without telling me what else should be interesting about it.

That's what I mean in Compile Heart's fading away for me. The first Neptunia game was pretty neat, if flawed, because of its personification of the game business and the parodies that came with it. Every subsequent game had become less about that, which turned me off.

I probably wouldn't be annoyed with it had it been just as much about the fanservice from the start as it is now. What annoys me is that it started as one thing and morphed into something else.


Oh, we're definitely on the same page.
I've never been particularly interested in these kinds of games, myself. When I play games, I almost always stick with western stuff like Fallout, Skyrim and Borderlands, which I know is a bit blasphemous among anime fans.. but anyway, yeah, if I'm in the mood for just pure fanservice, sometimes I'll watch an anime that is all about that. But that's pretty rare. Usually I like to have something more. If the fanservice complements the series well, meaning the narrative and other aspects go hand in hand with it, like Monogatari, or it plays with it in interesting and different ways, maybe like, arguably, Saekano, that's when I can appreciate it in a series more so. Sometimes the best fanservice for me is just really well written romance though.
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Sometimes it just depends on the situation. Razz
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leafy sea dragon wrote:




Last I checked, bras and panties getting snapped off of beautiful women was not a common thing in mainstream media anywhere in the world (not even Japan). Not everyone is a horndog, and the world isn't a frat house. When you DO get a fanservice work of fiction reaching the mainstream, like Baywatch or Catwoman, it becomes an instant target of mockery, and the only bestseller lists and box office victories they get are within their own categories.

(Also, I don't watch horror movies as they don't appeal to me, but when I do, I just logic away all the scariness. I do enjoy stuff from Stephen King though, as his stories are pretty thought-provoking.)


Catwoman wasn't mocked for fanservice it was mocked because it was an awful film with nothing going for it.
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leafy sea dragon wrote:
Last I checked, bras and panties getting snapped off of beautiful women was not a common thing in mainstream media anywhere in the world (not even Japan). Not everyone is a horndog, and the world isn't a frat house. When you DO get a fanservice work of fiction reaching the mainstream, like Baywatch or Catwoman, it becomes an instant target of mockery, and the only bestseller lists and box office victories they get are within their own categories.


I don't watch much American TV, but what I do see flipping through channels is loads of fanservice. Women in their underwear getting ready, or a bedroom sex scene. Extremely common in sitcoms like Desperate Housewives, Broad City, Modern Family, Scream Queens, Young and Hungry, and all that HBO fluff.

Even moving beyond that, virtually every popular singer is extremely provocitive like Arianna Grande or Miley Cyrus or Fifth Harmony. Hard to find a top selling female artist who doesnt flaunt their body.

Fanservice is extremely common in American media as well, its just in the more geeky subculture like what Tumblr is into its frowned upon and ridiculed, while the mainstream embraces it. For some reason it's important the female lead in Star Wars is non sexualized to geeks, meanwhile people loved Suicide Squad and Bad Moms with tons of sexual content. Perhaps because Star Wars is for kids?

relyat08 wrote:
I've never been particularly interested in these kinds of games, myself. When I play games, I almost always stick with western stuff like Fallout, Skyrim and Borderlands, which I know is a bit blasphemous among anime fans.


Aren't those games infamous for their crazy sex mods and overhauls? Seems like the fanbase isn't too dissimilar, just one gets support from the game developers while the other are reliant on the fan community.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:38 pm Reply with quote
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relyat08 wrote:
I've never been particularly interested in these kinds of games, myself. When I play games, I almost always stick with western stuff like Fallout, Skyrim and Borderlands, which I know is a bit blasphemous among anime fans.


Aren't those games infamous for their crazy sex mods and overhauls? Seems like the fanbase isn't too dissimilar, just one gets support from the game developers while the other are reliant on the fan community.


Haha, I'm sure those types of things exist. And I'm not really for or against them, I just don't have anything to do with that side of the fandom personally.
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Tarik Loq



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:02 pm Reply with quote
Tough choice but I went for butt.

You can also vote back to back, resulting in spamming the same vote lol. The poll is made unfair imo. Should have done an IP vote kinda thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:53 pm Reply with quote
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I don't watch much American TV, but what I do see flipping through channels is loads of fanservice. Women in their underwear getting ready, or a bedroom sex scene. Extremely common in sitcoms like Desperate Housewives, Broad City, Modern Family, Scream Queens, Young and Hungry, and all that HBO fluff.

Even moving beyond that, virtually every popular singer is extremely provocitive like Arianna Grande or Miley Cyrus or Fifth Harmony. Hard to find a top selling female artist who doesnt flaunt their body.

Fanservice is extremely common in American media as well, its just in the more geeky subculture like what Tumblr is into its frowned upon and ridiculed, while the mainstream embraces it. For some reason it's important the female lead in Star Wars is non sexualized to geeks, meanwhile people loved Suicide Squad and Bad Moms with tons of sexual content. Perhaps because Star Wars is for kids?

-Stuart Smith


I should probably rephrase what I mean: Works where fanservice is the central element is a niche thing, and it's only niche parts of society who openly seek out works of fiction centered around the fanservice. It is no secret that sex sells, but while it can be used for marketing, unless it's outright pornography, getting people's attention is about as far as it goes. The product itself must have its own merits for people to stay, and the sexual content, if it's there, must serve the story, not the other way around.

In other words, while you may see a lot of sexual content in the advertising for something, or at least mild teases, you don't hear people everywhere out on the street talking about the latest Hollywood blockbuster's clothing damage or naked shirt scenes (except maybe mockery thereof). If something makes it to the top or near the top of the box office, NYT literature charts, VGChartz's lists, and so forth, it's not because of the fanservice. I would say the same holds true in Japan too: The most-watched anime are stuff like Doraemon, Sazae-san, Crayon Shin-chan, and so forth. The only ones with significant fanservice are One Piece (which did not begin that way) and the Pretty Cure franchise (which was not intentional at the start).

The exception seems to be media aimed at teenagers and young adults, who have raging hormones and think about sex all the time anyway. Even then, there's got to be something to offer besides the sexual content. Otherwise, why bother when you can just look for porn, which is easy to find and free?

Tarik Loq wrote:
Tough choice but I went for butt.

You can also vote back to back, resulting in spamming the same vote lol. The poll is made unfair imo. Should have done an IP vote kinda thing.


Considering they're doing this for the fans (hence the name "fanservice"), it might be intentional: The most dedicated fans are the ones most likely to vote repeatedly, and the end result will be roughly in proportion of total fan demand for each option, rather than quantity of fans.

It's reflected in events like _____'s Got Talent, where you can vote using your phone up to X times per day: If they wanted a normal poll, they'd limit it to one vote per person. Rather, they're letting the more enthusiatic and excited fans vote multiple times if they really want a contestant to advance while at the same time not letting them get out of control for more casual viewers who simply like a contestant.

This poll, however, is just for Compile Heart fans, and they likely know there will be super fans on both sides voting day and night for the poll's entire duration.
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Tarik Loq wrote:
Tough choice but I went for butt.

You can also vote back to back, resulting in spamming the same vote lol. The poll is made unfair imo. Should have done an IP vote kinda thing.


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Considering they're doing this for the fans (hence the name "fanservice"), it might be intentional: The most dedicated fans are the ones most likely to vote repeatedly, and the end result will be roughly in proportion of total fan demand for each option, rather than quantity of fans.

]It's reflected in events like _____'s Got Talent, where you can vote using your phone up to X times per day: If they wanted a normal poll, they'd limit it to one vote per person. Rather, they're letting the more enthusiatic and excited fans vote multiple times if they really want a contestant to advance while at the same time not letting them get out of control for more casual viewers who simply like a contestant.

This poll, however, is just for Compile Heart fans, and they likely know there will be super fans on both sides voting day and night for the poll's entire duration.


Yes that may be true indeed. Haha its funny that buttmen really want butts to win! somebody is spamming that button! It's also funny how buttmen get so offended and jealous about people preffering boobs. They are forgetting that boobs have reigned supreme for over 3 decades haha
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Tarik Loq wrote:
Yes that may be true indeed. Haha its funny that buttmen really want butts to win! somebody is spamming that button! It's also funny how buttmen get so offended and jealous about people preffering boobs. They are forgetting that boobs have reigned supreme for over 3 decades haha


You could say that they're easily butthurt. (I do find it amusing you call them "Buttmen.")
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:03 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
Tarik Loq wrote:
Yes that may be true indeed. Haha its funny that buttmen really want butts to win! somebody is spamming that button! It's also funny how buttmen get so offended and jealous about people preffering boobs. They are forgetting that boobs have reigned supreme for over 3 decades haha


You could say that they're easily butthurt. (I do find it amusing you call them "Buttmen.")


Why thank you! Some buttmen are indeed easily butthurt, they should suck on some boobies, that would make them feel happier Kappa
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Stuart Smith wrote:
For some reason it's important the female lead in Star Wars is non sexualized to geeks, meanwhile people loved Suicide Squad and Bad Moms with tons of sexual content. Perhaps because Star Wars is for kids?


People didn't love SS for it's fanservice (I don't know what they liked about it to be honest). As for Bad Moms I didn't know it had an audience giving how it came and went but it managed to make 100 million dollars on a 20 million dollar budget for some reason so what do I know.

leafy sea dragon wrote:


The exception seems to be media aimed at teenagers and young adults, who have raging hormones and think about sex all the time anyway. Even then, there's got to be something to offer besides the sexual content. Otherwise, why bother when you can just look for porn, which is easy to find and free?


Because you don't get to see certain actors and actresses baring it all in porn just some lookalikes with weird looking enhancements.

leafy sea dragon wrote:


It's reflected in events like _____'s Got Talent


How much talent does Sailor Venus have?
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