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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I agree that technically yes it is censorship removing the outfits. On the other hand to me it's honestly sad and pathetic some fans are making such a big deal because they can't see their character dressed like a stripper in the game. I mean really? If seeing some 2d girl dressed in a skimpy outfit is that important to you just go watch a damn hentai movie or play a visual novel.
It's one thing if we're talking about a game who's sole purpose is to sell sex appeal (DOA Extreme 3 coming up soon for example), but this is not that type of game or series. Complaining about the main character in a horror survival type game, like Fatal Frame, not wearing a bikini the entire game as her outfit is like complaining that the characters in the Silent Hill games or Paranormal Activity movies aren't going around in g-strings or mandingos. I wanna see Crimson Peak this weekend and if the main stars aren't in lingerie or mandingos I'm demanding my money back. 
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Fronzel
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"It's censorship but it's something I don't like so it's OK."
Pfft. |
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EighteenSky
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Was looking forward to the new Fatal Frame but because of this I won't be buying it presuming it follows into the European release which is all but a certainty. It may only be two costumes but it's the principle.
Censorship is never justified, that people can actually be supportive of such ways is astonishing. That is the saddest thing, just because it may be 'creepy' (personally don't see it but maybe that's just me) to some they don't mind the censoring. |
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mangalore
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Technically it is not censorship because censorship is something enforced by a state entity. A content creator deciding on his content, what he sells or what he or she offers to customers is technically incapable to censor themselves. They just decided what content they find profitable for their enterprise or wanted to offer. Did Picasso censor himself by not painting pornography? No. He decided he liked cubism and did that. You have company completely retool their branding and product lines abandoning their old image. That can be far more fundamental than stopping what to put into a game's item shop and it also wouldn't be censorship. Newspapers and media outlet also have a certain brand of what content in what form they present. It mainly means Nintendo and Tecmo KOEI realized that this kind of stuff hurts their brands in the US American market and that the hassle and negative PR is not worth the money they can make off these items. Using the term censorship here is really using a catchphrase incorrectly. At best it's self censorship but really that is anyone's decision and that is fluid in regards to social self regulation aka we really would only have a case if they did do this because of government pressure because otherwise we constantly adjust out tone and opinions for sake of the community we want to live in. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Just because it's not state-sponsored censorship doesn't mean it's not censorship. If I find an article and choose to redact terms I don't want you to see before letting you read it, I have censored the article. When certain words in a movie are edited out, or when guns are turned into walkie-talkies in a movie, that is censorship. You don't get use an excessively narrow definition of something just to try to pretend that it isn't "technically" happening. It is happening. That *is* censorship that Nintendo is doing. The type of censorship is self-censorship rather than state-sponsored censorship, but it is still censorship. |
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Hyperdrve
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It's a shame that they removed the bikini from the game. They could have instead made it a very difficult unlockable.
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manapear
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@ Psycho 101 : I wanted to resist commenting on the matter, but I can only agree 100% with that. I can sometimes forgive JRPGs and action games for ridiculous, skimpy outfits in some circumstances, but it just seems so out of place in a horror game. That people are upset about it too is the same to me.
@ mangalore : Yeah, some people like to abuse the definition of censorship. Not saying the article did, but when any little thing gets changed or removed, people like take such offense and jump to calls of censorship so fast. I don't mind people want their bikinis in a game (even if I question why they want bikinis so bad in a psychological, horror game), but there are cases where an artists "censors" themselves and tries to be a decent person. . . and people get mad? I doubt people's common, misuse of the term will change any time soon, but I wonder what it would take to help start that shift. |
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Paul Soth
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Years back, Tecmo put out this commercial for Dead or Alive 3:
https://youtu.be/7Jfzh2s3jlE As you might of guessed, a lot of gamers didn't really like the concept of a publisher gleefully promoting the stereotype of gamers being awkward virginal losers who have resorted to gawking at women in video games. It's disappointing that angry gamers have embraced free speech absolutism to the point that they feel the omission of half-naked teenage girls running in terror in a wet, haunted forest is an inexcusable injustice reminiscent of 1984. I wish I was exaggerating about that last part... |
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Eldritcho
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Please, enlighten us. Because all i've seen so far are some people who are upset that they aren't getting the same version of the game as the Japanese market due to, what appears to be, simple prudishness on the part of Nintendo of America. |
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Levitz9
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Todd raises some big issues about Mighty #9.
As time went on during the original Kickstarter and I thought about things, I began to wonder: were people supporting Mighty #9 because they honestly wanted another Mega Man side-scroller (which they had already gotten with Mega Man 9 and 10, and didn't seem to care much for), or were they trying to stick it to Capcom for "denying" them MML3? As time goes on, I think it's the latter. Todd's right: we should be giving MN9 treatment as its own thing, but when even its own creator is going around proclaiming it as the "true" sequel to that nostalgic thing everyone loses their crap over because of a recent controversy... well, you're shooting out your own kneecaps. It's why I don't have any faith in those upcoming Banjo Kazooie/Castlevania reskins. Nostalgia is not something we can base anything off of. There's a reason those franchises died off: they had been thoroughly mined out. Stuff ending isn't a bad thing, but nobody wants to admit it. Then they complain when that thing they love is turned into a zombie. |
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DmonHiro
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It seems that the people defending Nintendo & Co. on this can't wrap their heads around a very simple idea: the content that was censored is IRRELEVANT, it's the censorship itself that people are pissed at. I, for example, refuse to go along with Nintendo's idea that it knows what's best for me. They basically said "You can't handle this, sorry, you're not Japanese.", and well, I don't care about their reasons for doing so. I refuse to buy ANYTHING that was censored or self-censored. And yes, I have never (to my knowledge) bought anything video game or anime related that was watered down for a western audience.
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Paul Soth
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Okay. http://www.destructoid.com/fatal-frame-localization-removes-smutty-outfits-316443.phtml#comment-2316531271 |
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whiskeyii
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I think it's more that they're wary of Western users and/or media raising a stink about underage ogling. You didn't see Nintendo self-censoring Bayonetta after all, because she's an adult. Pretty much all the cases where self-censorship have taken place involve underage characters. Which makes perfect business sense. You know a product you're selling contains material that isn't palatable to the market you're trying to appeal to--and a sizable market at that. There's no reason for them to cater to the appeal of what's still seen as a skeevy side of otaku fandom when their market is made up of general horror/psychological thriller fans. |
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Eldritcho
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True. I'll admit I was also caught up in the MN9 mania at first, but as time has gone on i've really lost interest and am sort of dreading when it finally does come out, because I know it just can't live up to expectations, and my own enthusiasm is low enough that it won't really be able to make up for any short comings it has. However, I don't think nostalgia is inherently a bad thing. Games being made as a throwback to older franchises I think is a perfectly valid way of doing things, as long as they have a voice of their own underneath. While MN9 might prove to be disappointing, other such throwbacks have been pretty widely accepted like Undertale, which many see as a throwback to Earthbound. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how some of these other forthcoming games will fair when they actually get finished. |
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DmonHiro
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I don't care. I don't care about the reason. I don't care if it's a dumb reason, I don't care if it's a very good reason. Any company can do whatever they want with their property. As long as it's censoring something virtual, I will never support it. And PLEASE, don't give the underage excuse when the USA has freaking Toddlers and Tiaras. |
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