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Did Your Anime DVD Come With A Cheap A$$ Case?


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one3rd



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:33 am Reply with quote
But they're not buying just one case. They're buying thousands of them. These little, seemingly inconsequential costs build up over time and, in some cases, can make or break the company.
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kusanagi-sama



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:44 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
joel_s95387 wrote:
No I don't watch anime while I drive Very Happy. I have a two hour break and a one hour break during my college classes so I try to not get bored, when I don't have homework, mainly by watching movies and anime is a great pass-time. In fact today I finally got to watch Samurai Seven.

Anyway yeah they buy them in bulk and all I'm saying is that they are cutting back on good DVD cases so obviously they can save money because the DVDs still cost $29.99. If the DVDs were cheaper priced with cheaper cases I wouldn't mind at all. But we get cheap cases at same price. Im just wondering what else they'll cut back on in order to save even more money.
Well these are tough times in the economy and profit margins are getting squeezed thin. Reduced episode count would be one way to save margin. Would you rather have a nice case but less content on the disk then? Wink


ADV mentioned that when they reduced the episode count to 2 per DVD with Gantz, that it cost more in relation to disc price, so reducing episode count won't help too much, unless there is a happy medium that will get them the best profit (probably 4 per disc)
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Kazuki-san



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:46 pm Reply with quote
one3rd wrote:
But they're not buying just one case. They're buying thousands of them. These little, seemingly inconsequential costs build up over time and, in some cases, can make or break the company.


Yes, they are buying thousands, which means they are paying less per case then an average person could buy. A quick google search reveals that I could buy 5,000 DVD cases for 14 cents a case. And that's nowhere near the kind of deal they get.
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:52 pm Reply with quote
The last several Bandai DVDs that I bought lack inserts. This includes the special tin editions of Mars Daybreak and Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig. This also includes the two disc Planetes DVD, as well as the traditional one disc Gundam Seed movies, Bebop, and Scrapped Pincess. So I suppose this is their new standard. I usuall throw away the clam shell and keep the cover art and inserts, so the case quality is of lesser importance to me. I found it interesting that the insert for Genshiken volume 1 is included in volume 2. I guess they were running behind deadline for the insert. I really like the Lord of the Ring Special Edition style box that the Twelve Kingdoms 1-5 was released in. I also love the big boxes that Samurai Seven is released in as well as the horizontal inserts which can also be found in ADVs Zaion DVDs. The Funimation FMA booklets are cool too. I was surprised at the transparent case that Geneon has used for Fafner which reminded me of a Funimation release like Railways, Gunslinger, Burst Angel, etc. Ouch, I think I'm collecting too many DVDs for my own good.
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joel_s95387



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:39 am Reply with quote
kazuki-san, Keonyn was right on how I brought up the insert thing. I'm wondering what they'll cut back on next. First the inserts, then the case, and whats next? Like previously mentioned is it content? Personally I dont care about clean intros and outros, interviews, or pretty much anything else besides the show and how it's presented. I bought the RahXephon Perfect Collection and didn't mind the slim cases because the price was really cheap I mean I only payed $60 so I didn't complain. If I bought Cowboy Bebop Remix for $15, I would've kept my mouth shut about the case.

I was looking through my anime collection the other day and came across the Appleseed Special Edition and laughed. The case is awesome. Those of you who have it should know what I'm talking about. If you dont, I dont think there are any on-line pics that actually show how awesome this case is.

What ever happened to "customers come first"? Industries are so obsessed with making money that they offer mediocre products in order to save money instead of passing their savings on to the customers by either offering cheaper price or adding "stuff" to the retail product. For you young kids, thats life. Money makes the world go round.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:10 am Reply with quote
kusanagi-sama wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
Well these are tough times in the economy and profit margins are getting squeezed thin. Reduced episode count would be one way to save margin. Would you rather have a nice case but less content on the disk then? Wink


ADV mentioned that when they reduced the episode count to 2 per DVD with Gantz, that it cost more in relation to disc price, so reducing episode count won't help too much, unless there is a happy medium that will get them the best profit (probably 4 per disc)
Mmyaas. But I'm not convinced. ¬_¬
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Kazuki-san



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:21 am Reply with quote
joel_s95387 wrote:
kazuki-san, Keonyn was right on how I brought up the insert thing.

Ahh, I see.

joel_s95387 wrote:
What ever happened to "customers come first"? Industries are so obsessed with making money that they offer mediocre products in order to save money instead of passing their savings on to the customers by either offering cheaper price or adding "stuff" to the retail product. For you young kids, thats life. Money makes the world go round.


Unfortunately you are correct. Pretty much every big or decently sized company buys into this nowadays. But really, it's the consumers fault. We bitch and moan about how much we pay, and then bitch and moan when they cut back on things so that it's cheaper. But, the fact is, the main factor for most people these days in price. They don't care what they get, so long as it's cheap.
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remember love



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:03 pm Reply with quote
The dvd case is unimportant to me as long as it protects my dvd and the insert well a little nerve racking, because it doesnt give you an episode guide, but still unimportant. Only time I demand these to be of greatest quality possible is when there is a special edition or limited collectors edition. That's the only time I believe the case and the inserts matter.

And for the note about company's deciding to get cheaper cases to help lower prices or at least get the company to make more money I say good for them. More money they make the more anime they will be willing to get, if they see that they have a more profitable business way then that opens more doors to them.

The only problem I have with companies is when they cut off extras off the actual discs or put less episodes on, because I would not pay $30 for a dvd that only holds 2 or 3 episodes, I say thank you but it's still on TV Ill just use a recorder and have it on vhs, not as good quality but I only have to pay for the tapes, that is until I get a DVD recorder but that'll be a while.

And for another note, If your dvd becomes damage because of the dvd casing wasn't to your likings you can return it to the stores in hopes of another of the same dvd undamage, if you still have reciept or you can get in contact with the company that produced it to get yourself a replacement.
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.Sy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:05 pm Reply with quote
Really? The Best Buy near me has a return policy that states you can return anything unopened, although if something was just opened and it wasn't the thing you wanted, they'll let you return it after a lot of wheedling. But they certainly won't let anyone return anything damaged after opening, though if ts a manufacture error, that's able to be returned.

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Kazuki-san



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:33 pm Reply with quote
.Sy wrote:
Really? The Best Buy near me has a return policy that states you can return anything unopened, although if something was just opened and it wasn't the thing you wanted, they'll let you return it after a lot of wheedling. But they certainly won't let anyone return anything damaged after opening, and not something resulted from a manufacture error.


Sure they will..
Best Buy Return Policy wrote:
Opened computer software, movies, music and video games can be exchanged for the identical item but cannot be returned for a refund.


In addition, stores must accept returns of defective products per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. (A federal law) For every sale made, there accompanies an Implied Warranty (in other words, the promise that the items being sold are working properly and are fit for sale), except for in cases where products are explicitly sold "as-is." When a defective product is returned, the merchant is required to provide a remedy, so that the purchaser obtains a working, defect-free product. Merchants are allowed to impose conditions required upon return, such as no defective returns for refund, X% restocking fee, etc., but such conditions must be "conspicously" placed.
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Mugen1style



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:49 pm Reply with quote
.Sy wrote:
Really? The Best Buy near me has a return policy that states you can return anything unopened, although if something was just opened and it wasn't the thing you wanted, they'll let you return it after a lot of wheedling. But they certainly won't let anyone return anything damaged after opening, and not something resulted from a manufacture error.


I have returned damaged product to Best Buy and received new product many time's. One time the DVD I bought was missing the insert. This is oviously not Best buy's doing and they let me get a new one with out a hassel. I had 7 DBZ dvds that the cheap case they used damaged the DVD because the individual fingers of the dvd holder broke off and the dvd's were scratched beyond use. Best Buy exchanged all with out question with reciept. I should note that there headquarters are near where I live and they may have different policy's depending on where you live. This is commen these days because of state laws and such. As far as cases are concerned I hate the cheap cases but there is almost nothing that can be done about it exept complain to the company's . I replace the broken cases but I am not going to spend money on replacing the "cheap" cases. My copy of Planets Vol 1 came out of its holder also and it was scatched but playable. I wish they would stanardise the cases but its not gonna happen so my advice would be get used to it. Smile
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.Sy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:01 pm Reply with quote
Kazuki-san wrote:
.Sy wrote:
Really? The Best Buy near me has a return policy that states you can return anything unopened, although if something was just opened and it wasn't the thing you wanted, they'll let you return it after a lot of wheedling. But they certainly won't let anyone return anything damaged after opening, and not something resulted from a manufacture error.


Sure they will..
Eh...I keep on saying what I don't mean. They will not let you return something you yourself opened and damaged, but a manufacture error is another story.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:36 pm Reply with quote
Well that's what I was trying to say .sy. Trying to say if it was damaged from the casing you can return it for another undamaged. Now if you yourself damaged by lets saying accidently dropping it on the floor than no they wont replace it. Unless of course you lie and say it was like that when you opened the dvd I doubt any store will replace dvds you yourself destroyed/damaged.
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Abarenbo Shogun



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:07 pm Reply with quote
Kazuki-san wrote:
.Sy wrote:
Really? The Best Buy near me has a return policy that states you can return anything unopened, although if something was just opened and it wasn't the thing you wanted, they'll let you return it after a lot of wheedling. But they certainly won't let anyone return anything damaged after opening, and not something resulted from a manufacture error.


Sure they will..
Best Buy Return Policy wrote:
Opened computer software, movies, music and video games can be exchanged for the identical item but cannot be returned for a refund.


In addition, stores must accept returns of defective products per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. (A federal law) For every sale made, there accompanies an Implied Warranty (in other words, the promise that the items being sold are working properly and are fit for sale), except for in cases where products are explicitly sold "as-is." When a defective product is returned, the merchant is required to provide a remedy, so that the purchaser obtains a working, defect-free product. Merchants are allowed to impose conditions required upon return, such as no defective returns for refund, X% restocking fee, etc., but such conditions must be "conspicously" placed.


In addition, with Music CD's and DVD's, the reason why your mostly allowed to get a similar product and not an outright refund is due to the whole copying and filesharing debacle. I'm not sure of the specifics, but with the RIAA and MPAA going into overkill mode ever since Napster, many businesses have either adopted such policies either thru the current technological climate a/or at the 'urging" of the labels.

Example before: I can burn the soundtrack to The Best of Anime to a CD-R or my computer, and return the CD for a refund/exchange.

Example after: I burn the CD, and i'm only allowed to get a "replacement" CD if I am not satisfied a/or is defective.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:46 pm Reply with quote
That is true Abarenbo. People can do and would do that if they were able to get a refund. I know I might of even if it's for a small refund back unless I really like the music I probably wouldn't keep the cd. But I think stores have a right to do that because It is a severe blow to them when everyone does that. So in all right fullness, Kudous to them.
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