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getchman
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wow, attempting to watch this shortly after eating breakfast is a very bad idea |
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Blood-
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@ Key re: hyperviolence titles from 2000 to 2003:
2000 - I think that Blood: The Last Vampire fits; it was pretty gory. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust also came out that year, but I don't remember being it especially gory. Someone with a better memory than mine would need to weigh in on that one. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (OVA) came out that year, but I haven't seen it. Certainly if it is anything like the current series of the same title, it would be gory. 2001 - Mezzo Forte I believe fits. Baki the Grappler came out but I've never seen it - is it gory? It seems like it might be. Hellsing TV series - probably gory, right? 2002 - Blue Gender (the movie)? Not sure if that one applies. I think it had some gore, but I question its hyperviolence quotient. Demon Lord Dante? Never saw it, but it gives off a hyperviolence whiff. 2003 - New Fist of the North Star - Haven't seen it, gonna guess it fits. Ninja Scroll the TV Series? Willing to bet it's quite bloody. But yeah, overall it does seem fairly slim pickings in absolute terms when you compared it to stuff coming out these days. |
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Key
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This steps outside of the realm of what I call hyperviolent, though. When you're using robots or mostly mechanical cyborgs instead of living creatures, or employing some other trick which doesn't actually show blood and rent flesh (e.g., Sword Art Online), that's just sugar-coated violence. |
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One-Eye
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I think Gungrave had some gore, but I'm not sure I'd lump it in with hyperviolence as Key is defining it.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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While I do think perhaps it is making a little bit of a resurgence I think hyper violence had it's hay day in the mid to late 80's and early 90's. I honestly wish they'd bring more hyper violent titles back, or make new ones, just to give some more diversity in the market. Then again the financial stability of the market is far from what it was so I suppose companies are sticking to what is making money for now and not taking too many chances. Another example I can think of that I would put in the mid range of hyper violence is the Sword of the Stranger movie. While not exactly DEEP in plot it certainly had enough there to push above just being all about the violence to focus on. One might also toss the Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust movie into that category perhaps.
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Animegomaniac
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1 Was Elfen Lied all that popular in Japan to create a trend? And isn't it too old to connect it to the reemergance?
2 Looking at trends in hyperviolence is rather meaningless, mostly since it also trends with OAV releases. And my own thoughts, weak as they are... Wouldn't it be right to say that a reemergance of hyperviolence would be from people raised on those OVAs, right? Or a counterreaction to the rise of the moe and cute? Or would it be to make your own product stand out more? To entertain the jaded and the shock-proof, to earn that late night time slot? To sell more DVDs that are "uncensored", only not for nudity this time? As a fan of low budget horror schlock, yes, I've noticed it and I've been having fun with this trend though I've thought things like Shiki and Another were more amusing than horrifying. So where are you going with this question? |
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Jon182
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As others have noted, hyperviolence may in part be a response to all the moe shows out there. The graphic nature of the violence against cute characters in Higurashi, Elfen Lied etc. seems to indicate there may be something to this theory. It also serves to distinguish which anime are adult oriented, or skewed to an older audience at least.
The apppetite for violence has always existed, it’s sad to say, but our exposure to violence has increased exponenentially from previous generations. I agree with Animegomaniac, the increasingly graphic nature of violence on film is supposed to elicit a response from the jaded and shock-proof audience. In my own case I’ve watched so many action movies that blood and spatter seem par for the course now. It wasn’t until I watched the last Rambo movie that I felt a little squeamish. |
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dtm42
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I tried to warn you, I really did. That video has the sort of hyper-violence that I like; absolutely effing brutal. But because the show has the most god-awful writing and characters, the carnage comes across as nothing more than violence pornography. When you watch BLOOD-C you're basically viewing the equivalent of an animated snuff film, where the characters only exist to die horribly for some sicko's amusement. Violence for its own sake is never okay. |
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Aylinn
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I'm definitely not a fan of hyperviolence, but I don't oppose it when it's done right. However, more often than not violence is used for the sake of violence. It's not fun. It's just a puny attempt to draw as many viewers as possible.
Elfen Lied does it to cover up the extreme stupidity of the plot. For the whole bloodbath to happen in the first episode, the facility, from which Lucy escapes, must be run by a bunch of morons. Deadman Wonderland is generous enough to give its viewers a minute and a half to get attached to the characters, before the bloodbath starts. And that's the problem. The characters are killed off before I have a chance to invest in them. Why should I care about them? The show gives me no reason to do so. And it doesn't use the whole violence in an interesting way like Higurashi that shows a glimpse form a future event and immediately switches back to an earlier stage, making viewers curious as to what exactly happened and why it happened. Besides, Higurashi doesn't even have to resort to showing violence that often, as it makes a good job of creating ominous atmosphere. It is not that much violence which makes Higurashi so good, but the ever-present sense of dread. In Higurashi we know that bad things are going to happen, but we don't know why they happen. Another show that uses violence in the right way is Code Geass, at the end of season one. By the time the massacre happens, viewers have had the time to invest in at least one of the characters. Because of that it is much easier to feel for them. |
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casualfan
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I don't mind hyperviolence to become the trend again in anime. Shows like Genocyber, Ninja Scroll, or Deviman, are so rare these days. I mean it's already the trend in gaming, I can see anime evolving to that.
With that said, of course the problem is if suddenly all shows become hyperviolent, just to follow the trend. But as long as there is diversity, I don't mind at all. |
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Keichitsu0305
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If "hyper-violent" anime will resurface, then I wouldn't mind. But, personally, I treat shows where seeing heads and limbs being ripped out of their sockets with the same attitude as seeing girls with DD-cup breast in swim suits: it's excessive yet kinda dull to me.
Obviously the point of violent shows is to market towards people who want to see paper thin character be ripped to shreds (literally) but, after watching both older 80's OVAs and a few 2000'-2010's shows, I, personally, just need a show to have interesting characters first then, graphic violence last. For me, the buildup is seeing characters I've grown attached to die in horrible ways not simply seeing how many gallons of blood was squeezed out of this nameless piece of meat? By this point, I'm kinda numb when it comes to seeing uninteresting anime characters being subjected to over-dramatic deaths. Sure the way the death scenes are presneted are detailed but I personally don't gain anything seeing characters I don't care about die horribly. Sometimes I'll even laugh at how bizarre the death scenes were (which shows just how cruel I really am. ;D). Especially when the "characters" are either incredible, nihilistic fulled jerks (so that their death scenes are "justified"), cavity inducing sugary sweet innocents (so their death is "tragic") or simply a large group of nameless nobodies being minced, sliced, and diced like a piece of watermelon inside a blender. :/
I would like to hear it. |
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dtm42
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My guess is, he's thinking of writing an article for ANN or another site about the history of hyper-violence in Anime, and how relevant (or irrelevant) it is today. By the way Keichitsu0305, I like your post. I agree with many of the things you said. |
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Key
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There's a certain movie that's been released multiple times before in the U.S. market but will finally be making its way to Blu-Ray next month. And the last time we reviewed it, the reviewer commented extensively about how the title didn't really fit the time in which it was being released. I was planning to angle my upcoming review of it based on how this discussion plays out. And BTW, titles that are not consistently extremely graphic generally don't meet my definition of "hyperviolent." |
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dtm42
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Ah, I see. Completely random guess: Akira? No, that can't be it, I think it already has a Blu-Ray. Besides, in the 80s violence was practically expected. *thinks of Space Runaway Ideon: be Invoked* Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait and find out.
So stuff like Shiki wouldn't be considered hyper-violent then, because barring spoiler[the dissection scene] all the violence is in the final quarter? I'm not arguing here, just want to know what you think. |
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