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NEWS: Rurouni Kenshin Gets New TV Anime by Liden Films

I didn't quote your whole exchange with Badnews, Oby, but since Maidenoftheredhand did, I can see that yeah, I absolutely stand by what I said. In fact, your reply of "context matters" doesn't really work, because you are still trying to defend/dismiss his actions regardless.

I'm not going to shame you or anyone else for continuing to support a convicted pedophile, but own up to it. If you don't care, cool, good for you.

I can support a work no matter what the artist's sexual preference is as long as s/he doesn't touch any innocents.

Ι am reading for a long time animenewsnetwork and i am also a big fan of Rurouni Kenshin.Usually i don't participate in this kind of conversations.But i am really pissed with how afar the community has gone with Watsuki.I don't live in America or Japan i live in a country in Europe.Every country has it's laws like it or not.Every society has it's unwritten laws like it or not.Do you have the same legal rights, social rights if you live in America,Latin America,Northen America,Africa,Europe,Asia,Japan and then in a specific country?I believe not.It is therefore to be expected that something I consider wrong or illegal in the country where I live in another country may be normal or legal. Therefore, the fact that I do not have any problem with the wrong act of Watsuki does not make me his accomplice or you can characterize me as thinking and acting like him. Nor that someone else who may not accept it makes him be characterized differently. Watsuki in his country was accused of something according to a new law that was implemented because something he was found to have in his possession in an earlier time. And for this reason the legal system of his country imposed such a small penalty on him. So the system of his country considers that he did not do something so terribly bad. In addition, Japanese society itself shows from the sales of the manga that it does not consider that Watsuki did something so bad. So even on a moral level that the manga is published in a teen magazine while the author possessed pornographic material, Japanese society has no problem. Therefore this issue concerns us on an individual level and has to do with our personal aesthetics, ethics etc, etc. So either you continue on an individual level to buy the manga and enjoy it or you can stop buying it. I can not understand why there is so much hate with Watsuki. You have overdone it.
Do you really bother the same if someone has sex with someone of the same gender? Because nature has created us to have sex with a different with the other gender and not the same. What would you say that it is everyone's right there? Are rights required there? For what reason; You may want to have anal sex. Is it considered correct? By whom? You may want anal sex, I may not. So what should I say about you? That you are abnormal? In addition, so many bands, singers, actors, artists do bad things, drugs, anomalies, and anything else we may not know. Are you bothered with their personal acts? How come and you can enjoy their music, film, theate production and various arts? And how many great artists were awesome in their art but had problems with their personality, their behavior and various other issues. Do not be absolute. Look for yourself. We all have our issues. Some a few, others more. Even if someone is a workaholic, it is a problem. He will definitely have a problem on a personal, family level. Do not be absolute. And do not be so aggressive and toxic to others. We are here to talk about anime and manga. And in this topic about Rurouni Kenshin. And what I have to say is the Rurouni Kenshin is awesome. It was and will be one of the best.Like it or not.

I saw name "Linden Films" and almost choked myself...
Another iconic anime will turn into mess and shit. Why, just why?

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I am a bit concerned about the studio taking this under there helm beause Linden Films doesn't quite have the best track record, but lets just hope they do it justice. If its just a Jinchu arc adaptation, then that would probably be best, much like how Inuyasha did a Final act story. But if its actually a reboot, it could either be amazing or rushed all to hell. Guess will just have to see. Either way I am still quite excited for anything RK.

Excellent news. I'm sure it'll have it's shortcomings like Shaman King's reboot does, but I'm still glad it's happening after all these years since it deserves a proper conclusion. Another one checked off the bucket list of anime that deserve remakes.

Oby wrote:

Heh, I bet all users who don't want to enjoy RK anymore in this thread have supported products or companies which the owners have done some bad things too. For examples, someone in the previous pages already mentioned Ford cars & other vehicles. And then there's Harry Potter franchise. And don't forget people who are fans of H.P. Lovecraft works and consumers of various adaptations of his stories in various media. And what about the goddamn Disney company which has been proven as racist if you look at their past works (Song of the South anyone? Among others). Did those "sins of the past" make you stop consuming a single product made or supported by Disney? How many of you watched Spiderman NWH this week

Japan is different though since most things are creator owned there and they generally have a huge amount of respect for the creator no matter what they do. That's why act-age was cancelled rather than Matsuki being kicked off the title and letting the artist and other writer take over for it like what happens here. Or why Sugiyama will always be the father of Dragon Quest. Sure, it also helps that their views and actions are not considered big deals in Japan like the west like in Watsuki and Sugiyama's case, but that's just cultural differences. But yes. if people dislike a creators actions then supporting anime, manga, and video games is a lot harder to do for them. For example, in addition to being a huge supporter of Watsuki who stood up for him after his arrest, Eiichiro Oda also mocks and makes derogatory statements towards trans people. People have to make their choices if they'll support One Piece, Kenshin, or any other work because they are the owner of said IP. They can't just be replaced like a writer for Disney or Cthulu can.

Oby wrote:

First, Watsuki didn't even verbally hurt anyone. He kept his "sexual hobby" to himself without physical-involvement with anyone. Just like a junkie who never physically hurt anyone. It's not good, but at least he left others out of it. And he was already legally punished for it.

Paying for actual CP is directly supporting those that [b]ARE abusing children[/b]. All you have to do is say you don't give a shit like numerous other people in this thread owned up to already. The loopholes people are trying to come up with to justify supporting a shitty person and a shitty series are revolting.

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I'm sure it sucks to be reminded constantly that the guy that made the thing you like sucks. It's nowhere near the same thing, but Digimon fans had to deal with Chiaki Konaka being a conspiracy theorist earlier this year. That was a bummer. But the inevitable endpoint of these threads is people being told not to talk about it and "let people enjoy things" which is absurd in regards to child porn being funded.

Great, now I'm very conflicted between the fact that I love the work but hate the man.
It's one thing to like loli but the real shit is disgusting.

I knew this would be mostly about people talking about that.

But yeah, I'm gonna watch it.

Just because I've decided to watch it doesn't mean I'm giving money to anybody for it.

Haha.

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whatever you do, please share your thoughts constructively as i'd love to hear them, especially about whether you want this (reboot?) show to come out or not.

Oby wrote:

I can support a work no matter what the artist's sexual preference is as long as s/he doesn't touch any innocents.

Gem-Bug wrote:

I didn't quote your whole exchange with Badnews, Oby, but since Maidenoftheredhand did, I can see that yeah, I absolutely stand by what I said. In fact, your reply of "context matters" doesn't really work, because you are still trying to defend/dismiss his actions regardless. I'm not going to shame you or anyone else for continuing to support a convicted pedophile, but own up to it. If you don't care, cool, good for you.

Feel free to quote parts of my comment where I supposedly defend his possession of CP.

And before you brought it up, me saying "Watsuki did not verbally abuse or directly physically harm anyone" is not a defense for Watsuki possessing CP. It's just a cold hard technical fact that I mentioned towards the specific user that I replied to in context. When I said that "Michael Jackson didn't kill anyone" in a reply to a specific user (not in this forum), it's not a defense for MJ's other bad conducts. It's just a factoid that he didn't kill anyone.

And if I didn't make this clear already, I hate Watsuki's action of possessing CP as much as I hate other crimes. Duh.

Gem-Bug wrote:

Oby wrote: I can support a work no matter what the artist's sexual preference is as long as s/he doesn't touch any innocents.

That's not a defense for Watsuki buying CP. That's my principle of consuming my entertainment in general.

FYI, the issue with what you're doing is called "deflection." You are bringing up tangentially relevant facts to diminish the perceived severity of the matter in question. It's like saying of someone who was convicted of robbery, "Well, they weren't convicted of armed robbery." Yes, factually correct. But also has nothing to do with the topic. It has a tangential link, but is not what is being discussed. It is commonly used as a means of setting in the listener's mind the idea that what is being discussed, in this case this person's criminal behavior, is less severe or worth attention than other things and that the listener should redirect their focus in that alternate direction you've proposed, i.e, individuals convicted of those more severe crimes. It's the sort of double-speak that tends to get people upset with politicians who don't want to answer tough questions, or when lawyers will attempt to impeach a witness's credibility.

In formal debate classes you will commonly learn about deflection early on. From what I've seen, debate classed tend to teach students to avoid this. Deflection can be useful if done tactfully. More often, however, the audience picks up on it and it sours the audience to your argument. It's usually the first go-to when an argument has little bite, and is akin to a Hail-Mary pass to make the argument stick. Like any Hail Mary, the success-rate tends to be low.
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You're saying he didn't "touch" any innocents, when that is for all intents and purposes not true. If a person hires a hitman to kill someone, does that mean they're not responsible for murder as long as they didn't pull the trigger? Watsuki was* knowingly and deliberately paying for cp, that makes him complicit in the sexual exploitation of children and this narrative that "he didn't directly hurt anyone" is disgusting and terribly dangerous

You're saying he didn't "touch" any innocents, when that is for all intents and purposes not true. If a person hires a hitman to kill someone, does that mean they're not responsible for murder as long as they didn't pull the trigger? Watsuki was* knowingly and deliberately paying for cp, that makes him complicit in the sexual exploitation of children and this narrative that "he didn't directly hurt anyone" is disgusting and terribly dangerous

Authorities searched Watsuki's home as part of a different investigation, which linked him to the purchase of DVDs with child pornography.

And here comes the shaming like expected. And I think "hiring Hitman" is not a good comparison but YMMV. Let's just say that you and I have different take on "touching innocents". Like I said, that's my principle, no one else need to follow it and I never forced it on anyone. Keep shaming me if you want. Let's see how far you can take this.

And again, that's not a defense of Watsuki buying CP.

he wasn't watching it in some random site off the internet, rather explicitly and physically buying those materials and thus supporting the criminals to keep abusing children

I knew this would be mostly about people talking about that.

But yeah, I'm gonna watch it.

Just because I've decided to watch it doesn't mean I'm giving money to anybody for it.

Haha.

But I do hope Richard Hayworth reprises his role of Kenshin. I love his voice. Kenshin being voiced by a woman is plain weird.

Chiibi wrote:

I knew this would be mostly about people talking about that. But yeah, I'm gonna watch it. Just because I've decided to watch it doesn't mean I'm giving money to anybody for it. Haha. But I do hope Richard Hayworth reprises his role of Kenshin. I love his voice. Kenshin being voiced by a woman is plain weird.

unlikely.

when it comes to the eng dub, its more probable the funimation cast that was used for the live action movie will be called in for this series. its highly unlikely he will do a dan green or laura bailey and come out of retirement to reprise one role. even one as iconic as himura