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Lobokendo
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Clearly this ^ anime is a hentai. 
Jokes aside, I did not mean that scene specifically in that regard. I simply meant that the scene was not originally like that in comparison to the novel, not that it had any ill intent. I'm sure I laughed a bit when I first saw that scene and the Silica episode was the very reason I picked up reading the books in the first place. I thought the show was going to be way more depressing than it was but that episode turned it around for me and that's what got me interested in the series as a whole. But purely based on novel comparison it was a change from the original. |
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nobahn
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Night fox--
You've completely lost me; may I trouble you for a detailed explanation as to what it is that that you're writing about? |
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Lobokendo
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I think he had trouble finding an anime non sexual tentacle reference nobahn
Personally, I'd have used the devils snare from the first HP movie to try and make that point. That aside, the Silica scene is mostly harmless, that's the main point I think. |
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Key
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Not the same at all, because in all of those harem series you're talking about you actually see some panties, skin, or at least censoring. You don't in this scene. It's purely played for humor here.
Oh, I've seen corners of the Internet (even if you're just limiting it to anime/manga-related parts) for which "sordid" would be a pansy term. Hence I know exactly what licking someone sexually looks like in anime/manga, and this ain't it. EDIT:
Yes, this is exactly what I've been getting at in a roundabout way. (Of course, according to Douglas Adams, the same could be said about all of the Earth. . .) |
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Night fox
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Well, I did use photo from live action movies and not anime.The point is that these tropes also occur frequently in popular western media and I don't see any outrage that it's used as fanservice, or is a result of poor writing etc. 
Why are anime fans so sensitive about this, even when there's nothing particularly erotic about the examples taken from SAO? ~EDIT~ That's like saying that all scenes that takes place at a hot spring, or at the beach, are intended as fanservice. For those who are particularly sensitive, there's the option of always censoring people from the waist down - in case of any sexual hipmovements. (Elvis anyone) 
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Lobokendo
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Technically, those are "fanservice" by definition. Not sexual mind you, but fanservice can include anything that isn't necessary for the plots sake, but to appease the fans. Of course in anime sexual fanservice is almost always what is meant, but the inclusion of a hotspring or beach episode can be considered fanservice in this regard. Also, under the same definition the Silica scene could be considered non sexual fanservice because that scene was added for the purpose of a joke, not to advance the story. Of course all that is conjecture on my part. I don't know the intent of any of these instances so it would depend. |
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Key
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"Fan service" in the West has been so ingrained to specifically associate with sexual elements that people get confused when its broader meanings are applied, which is why I rarely do the latter anymore (and if I do then I always try to clarify that I'm specifically using the broader context). Really, I wish we had separate terms for sexual and non-sexual fan service.
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Touma
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That would be nice. As it is we just have to add qualifiers to anything that is not ecchi fan service. Such as "mecha fan service", or "violent fan service." What annoys me more is that fan service is almost always used in a derogatory way. Fighting shows are full of fan service that is never called fan service because it is just two guys hitting each other with no sexual connotation. And, more on topic here, sword fights are full of fan service that is never called fan service. A lot of people seem to have the attitude that if they like something then it cannot be fan service. They feel that fan service has to be something bad that only perverts like. The complaints about the tentacles remind me of the old joke about the Rorschach tests. The punch line has the patient saying to the psychiatrist "What do you mean I have a problem? You're the one with all the dirty pictures," I will admit that I have not yet seen that part of Sword Art Online, but if those pictures that Key posted are as bad as it gets then I would not call it sexual fan service. It could be "tentacle fan service," which could be humorous rather than sexual. |
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Redbeard 101
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I thought I saw you there other day at one of those corners.
I would agree 100%. I have seen much of the same "corners of the web" dear Theron has, and when I saw this seen watching SAO I never once thought of it as fanservice. I didn't get one iota of any kind of sexual innuendo or a tentacle fetish fanservice vibe at all. I didn't even think other people did until I saw this thread. |
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Top Gun
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At this point I guess I just have to agree to disagree on this, because there is absolutely no way I can approach that scene and not have it scream "Fanservice hooooooo!" in a loud voice. It's not even what the scene taken itself represents, but the context it falls into with the show repeatedly treating its female characters in a particular fashion. (Hell, re: the Jabba/Leia scene, I would equally argue that there was a definite humiliation/degradation subtext behind that decision that firmly crosses into the sexual realm.) But if other people aren't seeing it, then I'm not going to sit here all day and yell that you're wrong or anything. 
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Chiibi
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^Jabba's OBVIOUSLY a pig. He made Leia wear that.....thing....so yeah. No question about his motives. lol
The first fanservice moment SAO had that struck me was when Suguha undressed and just stood in her underwear for a while. But this wasn't until after the Aincrad arc....it was probably episode 15 or 16? Somewhere in that realm. Aside from some close-up breasts and butt shots, SAO's fanservice is pretty damn light, compared to other shows. There are no panty shots. I don't count Asuna undressing for Kirito because how else are you supposed to have sex!? lmao) There's barely any kind of bouncing. There's barely any nudity (one bath scene with cleavage?) no silly hot springs episode, and so on. I haven't read the part where Asuna is assaulted by Sugou yet. I'll let you know when I do and if it goes into detail like the anime did. ............somehow I doubt it. |
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dtm42
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You aren't crazy for liking Sword Art Online. It's a well-produced show with a gripping premise, gorgeous backgrounds, powerful music and cool fight scenes. It features many cute/pretty girls and an audience-surrogate main character who we would all love to be. SAO was designed to be populist entertainment and it succeeded magnificently; it and Aot were rulers of conventions for several years in terms of fan engagement and cosplaying. So no, you're not crazy. Not even remotely. But it is actually a good show? Well, yes and no. If bringing joy to fans and making huge profits are all that a show is supposed to do then by those measures SAO is a great show. It made, like, all of the money, and fans had a congenial time. But does it competently tell a good story using characters who get proper development in a setting which is logically-thought-out? No. No it does not. In fact, it failed spectacularly at every one of those things. If you believe that a show is more than just a business and marketing vehicle and should also be judged as a piece of art, then on that basis SAO is a terrible show which more than deserved the tsunami of crap that was sent its way. |
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Kamagor
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Coming into this only having read some of the start of the discussion, so this is just throwing in my 2 cents about it.
I like SAO, but it's a mixed bag for me. Without going deeper into things (It's been awhile, I doubt I could pull out the big issues without a rewatch), my more general issue is that the quality of the show goes up and down for me. The start in SAO I really liked, it had good drama, good risk, and I was satisfied with it. At the time, I hadn't watched other anime with the "trapped in a game" setup. Never watched Dot Hack The problem after that I thought was the drama and risk being lessened, other than for Asuna, adding in what I think is a weaker game element (ALO), leading to a second half I didn't like as much. Same for the second season. I really loved the stuff with GGO, very much because of the game aspect and the stuff with Sinon was interesting. Kirito is still too much of an awesome character, switching games and dominating right away, which is kinda weak, but the game and setting I loved. Then we are back to ALO and the second half again isn't as interesting as the start. It's almost like they are backwards in tone for how a series should be. I say all this knowing nothing about the source material, just purely from what I've watched of the show. It's a rollercoaster in quality for me personally. *SIDENOTE* Are any of the games good, particularly new ones that might be on the PS4? Stuff I've seen glancing at them puts them in mostly just SAO and ALO world wise I think, but if there was a GGO related SOA game, I might actually be interested. |
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Lobokendo
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Funny you should mention this because this was probably one of the few intended fanservice moments in the series. If I remember correctly that particular moment was actually illustrated in the novel so that makes perfect sense.
Thank you for your kind words in regards to me liking SAO, but I would like you to be a little more specific with your instances of "terrible". While I would definitely agree the show has flaws in regards to the story, I do not believe that such flaws are so damning, but would appreciate specific instances of such flaws. Edit I've heard the games are good if you like SAO as a whole, but not so good if you are just looking for a good standalone game. |
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Key
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Before that I never would have guessed that you are also into pregnant lesbian midget porn.
(Oh, wait, was that supposed to be a secret?) |
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