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Ohoni
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[quote]1) It came from reliable sources (YTV's website, and if I remember correctly ANN mentioned some stuff about it). And it was spread pretty widely throughout the internet. Narutards are just too dense to notice, and unfortunately Narutards are an unusually powerful group in anime fandom who could easily confuse everyone else by sending mixed messages. [/quote
I'm sure many people visit YTV's website. Dozens. I'm sure they're reliable, but they wouldn't likely be the primary source for any information a Naruto fan comes across. I don't remember ANN referencing it, but it's possible.
The points I made relating to the visual editing were only ancilary to my main points, some people happened to pick at them instead of the main points though, since they're apparently easier to pick at. YOU can feel free to stick to my comments on the dubding if you feel staying on topic is so important.
Of course not, it's merely an example.
Of course not, but if it's fine by the Japanese, then it's fine for the Japanese version to have those things, while if it's not fine for the Americans, then it hurts the American versionto sort of wedge those things into it. It's really hard to explain properly if you don't get the linguistic differences between English and Japanese, which apparently you do not, so please just accept my word for it.
The thread topic was "why do people hate dubs so much?", I was giving a good reason why. I didn't start the thread, but why shouldn't I participate when I have information relevant to the thread? I don't think it's possible for dubs of most series to live up to the original, it's a steep up-hill battle for a non-native language version of a program to match the quality of the original, and it's unrealistic to expect it to happen more than once out of twenty or thirty series'. I don't require that the dubs that I watch be the same quality as the original, because I've already seen the original, and I'm willing to watch dubs if they're on. I have no need or interest in stopping watching dubs, but nor do I see reason not to educate people on what they're missing by relying on them as their sole source of anime. |
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Zalis116
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Okay, so if it's not right, does anyone have something better? Omitting it completely take out a large part of his speaking "style" from the original, and we all know that we want dubs to be authentic. If you want my take on it, I made a post here about the issue, though I don't claim to have more authority than anyone else. |
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S8C
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It's personal preference. I prefer subs over dubs 90% of the time.* I prefer subs because for one it is how it is intended to be seen by the people that made it. And two, I feel that alot of the time dubs are very corny sounding. ESPECIALLY after first watching something in Japanese. And lastly, cmon, it's much cooler watching anime in it's native original language. And it sounds 20x cooler.
But in the end, to each his/her own. *The exception being if i'm cleaning and want to throw on anime as background noise. But if i'm actually watching something, it's gonna be in subbed form. |
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Efan
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Just for the record, could someone give me a definition and example of a "Narutard"?
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YUGI
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I watch anime as its intended. In its original Japanese language with no subtitles. The creators did not want subtitles in there original vision.
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Ohoni
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As I said, I think "dattebayo" would have at least been a better, if not perfect solution. At least then it would come across as a distinctly foreign gramatical concept, rather than an English phrase that seems completely shoehorned into the dialog. Short of that, they could accept the contextual nature of the Japanese language and instead of consistantly replacing "dattebayo" with a single "catch phrase", they could just add emphasis to each sentence that originaly contained dattebayo in a way that flows naturally in English. For example, instead of saying "I'm going to become the Hokage, Believe it!", he could say something like "I'm deffinitely going to be the Hokage!", or "I'm going to be the Hokage, for sure!", or even, "I AM going to be the Hokage!", just whatever happens to fit in the particular sentence in question.
Main Entry: 1Na·ru·tard Function: noun 1 /Na·ru·tard/ :fans of the show Naruto that haters hate on: |
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Key
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Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is about the whole "Believe it!" thing. About 90% of the time it fits just fine, and from what I've seen so far it suits Naruto's attitude quite well.
Of course, I've only seen the CN broadcasts, so I have no original Japanese version to compare it against (yet). |
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TheVileOne
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Dattebayo basically means, "That's what I said," or "what it is". So Naruto constantly EXCLAIMING DATTEBAYO(!) is appropriately translated into Believe it.
I'm DEFINITELY going to become the Hokage doesn't have the same effect since Naruto is Naruto, since Naruto likes to overreact, exaggerate, and over-exclaim everything. So he'd be more like, I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BECOME THE BEST HOKAGE OF ALL TIME! BELIEVE IT!!!! |
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Mugen The Great
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It's fine for you to participate in this thread. I was just misunderstanding you. I thought you were trying to say "I wish dubs were better" (which you were contradicting yourself with in some of your later points), instead of "I generally don't like dubs because of these reasons" (which is more sensible and in fact you absolutely should be posting in a thread like this). Sorry about that. I think we're pretty much even now. |
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Tempest
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How many creators have told you this ? Regardless, I can say thatyou're probably right, the original intent of any show is most likely for the viewer to be concentrating their eyes on the on-screen visuals (the animation itself in this case) and using their ears to hear the audio. Since you apparrently understand Japanese, you're very lucky and can watch anime in its pure, original format.
See above for why I disagree with you. The problem comes down tot he fact that the average North American can not enjoy anime in its unaltered format. They require either dubs or sub. A dub should allow them to enjoy the anime in the format closer to what the original creators intended (although I doubt the original creators even thought much about the issue). In that sense, subtitles would be inferior. The question is always, "how good is the English dub?" and "how much better is the original Japanese dub?" Most people who think the original Japanese dub is better aren't in any position to comment, because they don't understand it. They're comparing the English dub to what they imagine to be the quality of the Japanese dub. I must admit, I prefer to watch all foreign cinema in its original language with subtitles. But this is pure preference, not some misguided belief that subtitles are superior to to a properly produced English dub. This preference extends to anime, but I also watch many anime dubbed. Some of the dubs are very good, some are very bad, and most are somewhere in between. -t |
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hanachan01
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I'm probably one of the few people who do this, but unless I really, really hate the dub, I'll watch both for the first few episodes, then she what I like. Usually, I end up liking both, so I watch both, such as when I watch FMA or Fruba. It also depends on my mood. Sometimes I want to hear Japanese, sometimes English. Of course, there are some dubs I stop watching after the first episode- anything 4kids (I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh and One Piece fan, and I watch the uncut DVDs and fansubs) and Gravitation (The script was very good, but I hated Shuichi's voice in the dub, and I'm a huge Tomokazu Seki fan!) are the only ones I can think of now...but yeah, I'm an equal opportunist
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YUGI
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Tempest, actually Monkey Punch was exstatic for his works to be in english. I met him in 2004, and talked about his works in a sincere passion. He told me that the dub was pretty good for the little english he knows. He also has a huge mad magazine collection from the 50's and 60's.
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Ohoni
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Not true. The show was originally produced in Japanese. The only difference between a sub and the original version is some small words across the bottom of the scene. The difference between the original and a dub is usually at least minor rewriting for timing and mouth flaps, and a completely different vocal performance. That is a much more significant difference in production.
This is also untrue. You don't have to understand Japanese to judge the quality of Japnese dubbing, any more than you need to understand English to judge the quality of English dubbing. Understanding of the language itself is tertiary to the qualities that matter when judging performance. You can judge the vocal performance of someone perfectly well whether they're speaking Japanese, English, or Sim, it much more about timing and emotion than it is about the words themselves. |
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Amuro_chan
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Dubs suck because no matter how good the dubs are, it can never be as good as the original. When you go from one language to another, some things will always be lost in translation because not every country share she same culture influences, language slangs, etc. So impossible to translate something with 100% accuracy without losing any of the aforementioned elements.
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patch
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Very good point here, I think some "dub haters" disregard this fact. To give an example, some friends of mine didn't like GiTS: Stand Alone Complex at all, saying there was too much dialogue. The ones who say this I would definitly put in the "dub haters" category. When I ask them to give a dub a try since it is a really good series, they simply refuse. In this case, I do feel that reading the subtitles instead of listening to dialouge and focusing on the amazing animation/visuals, you really are missing out on what the series creators intended. Besides, a series like Stand Alone Complex there is alot of 'communication' going on over the net. Even when there is actual speaking most of the time the characters mouths are not shown so I feel the dialogue is very fluid and natural and the "lip flap" arguement is basically moot. Again don't get me wrong there are definitely plenty bad english dubs that I refuse to watch over the original japanese language dub, but I guess I would consider myself a dubfectionist -- love the term btw 
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