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sam28xk
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cool i wish them the best we really need to support the things we all love so much
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ZeroDemio
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1. Dude, awsome! I want to be apart of something like that.
2. Wait, what? Viz Media owns KAZE?(The French Kaze as well?) |
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giapet
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As per the link in the article, Shogakukan and Shueisha bought the French company Kaze and the German company Anime-Virtual and integrated them under VIZ Media Europe. They're listed on the ACA site as "Anime-Virtual/Kaze" and the Anime-Virtual.de website features the Kaze logo predominantly. |
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samuelp
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Interesting to note that no actual domestic German anime licensers seem to be a part of this.
Why is that, you ask? Wouldn't the local industry be the number 1 pusher for this sort of initiative? Edit: After going to their website it seems that a number of domestic licensors are involved, so I retract my question. The article didn't think to mention them, though. Edit 2: After looking through more carefully, there seem to only be two licensors, Anime-house which seems to be the Nozomi of Germany, releasing really old shows and hardly anything else lately, and Universum which seems to be the only real licensor left... I guess my original point pretty much stands: I'm not sure who this alliance is trying to save, the local German anime industry is already pretty much dead. |
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matrixdude
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So essentially it's the anime industry with a couple of proxies that aren't supposed to be affiliated with them so that it doesn't look like the industry is trying to do a crackdown? The DDoS attack seems unnecessary. I wish them the best of luck in Europe, but it's like the same problem with the music industry, the companies just don't get it. Find a better way to sell, if that has to be cheaper prices than so be it. You charge prices people don't want to pay, the economy goes bad and you keep the prices high, and nobody will buy it. Honestly, who can afford like $40 a dvd that only has 4 episodes? You can buy a boxset of a TV show of the entire season for $40 anywhere. In the end it comes to hundreds of dollars and nobody wants to pay that. Just look at Kara no Kyoukai's price: $650 for blu-ray boxset. I could buy 10 different shows completely for that price. Was someone high when they picked that price?
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hissatsu01
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Oh yeah, no one's going to pay that. I'm sure they're very worried about the KnK box selling at such a high price. I mean it's not as if it's been near the top of Amazon's sales ranking since the moment it became available for preorder. |
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Guren Alchemist4
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Good to see them trying something. Hopefully, they can have some impact.
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thr
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With the greatest respect ... but who gives a damn? No business model, no clue, so let's gather around the fire, sing cheery songs and shout: "Es geht nur gemeinsam!" Whoever thinks that a business today, especially in a niche-niche market like Germany, can be purely based on selling Anime, is clearly off his rocker.
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Fellistowe
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So, is anybody else particularly disgusted by supposed "anime fans" DoS'ing their efforts? Way to show your not just a bunch of self serving leeching pirates, guys
But then how do you expect any new forward thinking business developer to come up with that "perfect" business model when they have to compete with a zero cost piracy model? I happily applaud their efforts; if done right then it can be a very positive thing. And by done right, I might suggest work with the existing 'positive' fansub community to promote self regulation i.e. sub the stuff if it can't be legally obtained (and industry give them a covert nod), but remove every trace of it once it becomes legal, and positively promote the legal copy (the day a fansub pops up with distro approved adverts on it I'll probably die laughing from irony). Also, shun and crack down on those groups who rip legit media, etc, and let them know we just don't want them in our fanbase anymore. The more we carry on this "fansub vs industry" mentality then the more confrontational and worse it's all going to get. If we can create a 'give and take' fanbase that supports industry (and yes, guides them to ways we would like to see our anime distributed), yet still has the leeway to fill the holes industry just can't provide (on the understanding we stop when industry can fill those holes), is this not a good thing? It may be pipe dreaming to some, but all it can take is a group of people in the right place at the right time to get the ball rolling. Here's hoping for a group formed from ANN, the US distros, and several other 'positive' thinking fan and aggregator sites, all working together to promote both each other and, in the end, the artists. |
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Sunday Silence
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If they manage to wipe out those stupid AMV's, then i'm all for it.
Then again, i'm still pondering if I should even bother with getting an E-Reader despite the fact that their is virtually NO Licensed Manga to download that I want. Heck, even the Fansubs don't do .pdf formats. Support the industry.......Feel the industry has forsaken me. Choices, choices. |
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thr
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That's quite simple. I don't. Illegal Acquisition of Anime won't go away, even if the whole lot of Japanese Anime would be streamed online and worldwide at no cost by its creators/distributors day and date with the Japanese TV airing. And herein lies the problem. Licencors in foreign countries can only sell Anime and nothing else. But many Japanese shows are effectively just big campaigns for merchandise that can't be copied easily.
There is no positive fansubbing. Once it's out there, it's out there. That's the difference between Internet-enhanced fansubbing and fansubbing from the VHS era. IRC, Usenet, Torrents, Rapidshare and Co., it'll be always somewhere. Fansubbing means ignoring the Japanese creators' rights. It's as simple as that.
And that's gonna help how?
Well, how's that supposed to work? You can get a RAW as soon as half an hour after a show has aired. Often it comes with Japanese subs. If the show's popular enough a decent sub will be out very soon. There simply isn't a need to give in this day and age. Quite frankly, IMO the business of licensing Anime is dead. As I implied earlier, Japanese companies should concentrate on selling/licensing to foreign distributors the stuff that just can't be easily copied. EDIT: And look no further than to a very high profile title to see how the Anime industry fails. Supposedly Bandai has bought the rights to K-ON! This show is now over one year old, K-ON!! is very soon finishing its run in Japan, yet there isn't anything to be heard about an impending release. I'm sure Licensing is a hard business, but either you can do it or you can't. If a popular show like this is delayed for more than a year, you simply can't believe that people have not watched it by other means. And if Anime is indeed more of a consumable than a collectible today, then you shouldn't expect that your sales will explode. |
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Fellistowe
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Then how come one of those arguments that keeps on being put forward for fansubs is that they help getting the title known, etc? It seems to be the holy grail for fansub watchers that "they wouldn't have bought XXXX title if they hadn't watched the fansub first." From personal experience, I would also agree with that statement; much of the $15k worth of anime I have wouldn't have been bought if I hadn't seen the series by some means first. No point having it on my hard drive when I own the DVD though. But this has to be balanced by the next bit....
Well, if you want to be a completely emotionless consumer about things, then yes there is no need. What I'm on about though is the attitude of the 'fan' being supportive. Most of us who watch anime call ourselves 'fans'. We refer to 'the fanbase'. Fans are supportive of the medium which they love. Why do you think so many of us go mad for big artbooks and fancy DVD boxes and extras? Becaused it's something we love and want to have. Most of us as well recognise you have to give back if you want the industry to survive (both here in the west, and most especially in Japan). Money has to flow if you want to watch anime; lots more money has to flow if you want to watch better quality stuff! However, we've gotten ourself (through whatever justifications we wish to use) to a state where piracy is destroying the industry because we are doing a heck of a lot of taking and very little giving back. So why shouldn't it fall to the fans to help get things back on track? Why shouldn't we act responsibly to the medium we supposedly love? And I'm not talking about being 100% positive to the letter of the law (very few humans are built like that), but it's at least knowing when you're taking too much and have to give something back. The industry may be far from perfect, but I'd prefer to have it around and give it the chance to evolve rather than have nothing at all. If all of this is a concept too hard for most people to understand, well, makes me feel just a bit more cynical about being a human being. |
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thr
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I don't know. It's not my argument and I've never used it.
I think you're misunderstanding me.
But that's exactly the point. The Anime industry in the western countries is chiefly built upon selling Anime. They're trying to monetize the one thing which, in this digital age, has only a greatly diminished monetary value! In Japan the Anime itself is complemented by a vast ecosystem of merchandise. It's child's play to download a high quality version of K-ON! But you have to pay up if you want K-ON! Nendoroid Figurines from Good Smile Company. I think there's quite enough room for emotional attachment, even for emotionless downloaders. If such a person buys merchandise, it's a win for the creator. I'm not arguing that one shouldn't appreciate Anime anymore. It's just that the business model of licensing and distributing Anime in a foreign country isn't particularly well suited for times like these. Last edited by thr on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:47 am; edited 1 time in total |
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