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Andrez
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:27 pm
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pparker wrote: |
Mind Game
Genius Party
Genius Party Beyond
Robot Carnival
Memories |
Nice selection indeed, particularly Mind Game and Memories.
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Fuusamurai
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:35 pm
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I have to add Tekkonkinkreet - but that's a totally different animation style compared to Howl's moving castle.
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Vortextk
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:54 pm
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As for regular tv airing anime, first episodes can show you some great stuff. I'm ignorant of exactly why, though I can guess it's more time/budget/wanting an "oomph" to get people into the show. Trigun's first episode sticks out in my mind often.
As the show went on, it had the usual varying levels of animation. Usually pretty great for climactic scenes, big chunks of story, and less than stellar for the side stuff. A few minutes into the first episode where a small building is leveled and then shot up always amazed me though. Seeing all the wood shattering and splintering from the gun fire, tons of little details and animations going on.
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Keonyn
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:39 pm
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Okay, a reminder here.
Teh Rules wrote: | 3) Discussions should carry some measure of intelligence to them. Consider if what you are writing is relevant or important to others. If it does not contribute to the discussion, do not post it. Please post detailed answers to questions; lists and one-liners do not contribute. |
Just listing off a bunch of titles isn't going to cut it. Give some reason as to why you think so, or examples, or something to promote discussion on the matter. If we're just going to fire off mindless lists then I'm afraid we've got a one way ticket to Locksville (you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy).
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Prede
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:02 pm
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Keonyn wrote: | Okay, a reminder here.
Teh Rules wrote: | 3) Discussions should carry some measure of intelligence to them. Consider if what you are writing is relevant or important to others. If it does not contribute to the discussion, do not post it. Please post detailed answers to questions; lists and one-liners do not contribute. |
Just listing off a bunch of titles isn't going to cut it. Give some reason as to why you think so, or examples, or something to promote discussion on the matter. If we're just going to fire off mindless lists then I'm afraid we've got a one way ticket to Locksville (you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy). |
No offense but it is a little hard to write up something in regards to this question. I tried, and I'm sure many are. But there's only so much you can say about a show's animation...So I understand why people just skipped to listing stuff. But rules are rules I guess.
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KanjiiZ
Joined: 28 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:34 pm
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The fight between Rock Lee and Gaara is an amazing piece of animation. I feel like they poured all of the budget on that one fight. I'm not a fan of Naruto, but that fight was just wow.
All of Black Lagoon was well animated. I think episode 3 was a bit robotic, but the series itself is great.
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Tasolth
Joined: 29 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:52 am
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One I haven't seen mentioned, Bleach. Now don't get me wrong, most of its normal, or even garbage in a few places, but there have been a few really standout episodes, maybe even the movies would qualify under good animation (excluding parts of the 3rd movie of course).
As for the best animation of any episode of bleach I'd have to say Its right in the middle of ep 121, The fight between Ichigo and Grimjow. Since then I've not seen even a part of a fight scene that was quite as fluid. Better animated maybe, but as fluid, no
Sadly the really fluid part of the animation only lasts a short time before they go back to normal. Most of the ep is above average, going back and forth from outstanding,
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pparker
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:13 am
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Keonyn wrote: | Just listing off a bunch of titles isn't going to cut it. |
I would just point out that the poster asked for a list. s/he is unfamiliar with anime and looking for a list of titles to watch. True, a list is against the rules. But, you know... my reason for listing would be their reason for asking... redundant.
However, in the spirit, I will say that the reason more animation is not up to the quality sought is simply economics. For shows produced by commercial studios, they only have so much time to draw the frames, period, for a TV show. No matter what they have by air time, that's what we see. The artists may wish they could do better, and I'm sure they do, but they have a deadline.
Movies are different, in that they may have a target release date, even announced, but it isn't written in stone. When it's done, it's released. The compilations of shorts that I mentioned have no real deadline. The creators have already made the anime. No one is standing over them with a whip to finish by a certain date. This makes a world of difference in potential quality, but is not a guarantee. Art is one of those things to which you cannot apply physics--a quality screenplay can be written in ten days, or can take ten years. You can't quantify creativity. In fact, this idea that a great novel takes a long time to write is a fallacy mostly promoted by lazy writers. Ask Stephen King.
The physical act of animation does more easily correlate to time, because it is a manual process beyond typing. The act of drawing or composing frames of anime will normally result in a better product with shorts, movies or OVAs than with the TV format because there is no time constaint. Live TV in America isn't appreciated for its cinematography (if it is even worthy of the term appreciation), but its story or comedic value.
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yuna49
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:05 am
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One of my favorite shows that routinely gets overlooked in discussions like these is Noein. The choreography, flow and detail of the fighting sequences is quite impressive. The boxset includes a couple of extras showing how those sequences were created which I also found instructive. The overuse of 3D can be annoying at times, especially the model of Haruka's house, but otherwise I think the animation is considerably better than most televised series.
One of the things I most appreciated in the way I.G produced Moribito was their careful planning and use of budget. Some shows splurge on animation at the outset to attract viewers, then find they cannot afford to maintain that high level of work in the later portions of a show. (I'm looking at you, Shion no Ou.) In Moribito you can see that the producers were careful to invest in the episodes that needed it and skrimp a bit on the more "slice-of-life" segments of the story. Given the theme of Moribito it's not surprising that the animations of water, in the paddies and the running streams, is some of the best I've ever seen in either movies or televised series. Yet even in a show like this, they still have problems animating hair. Balsa's in particular often looks pasted to her head.
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arachneia
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:51 pm
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I think Karas, despite its somewhat lackluster story and poor pacing, has hands down the best animation that I've ever seen. Satoshi Kon's works (Paprika, Millennium Actress, Perfect Blue, etc.) would come in second, but I think you have to be in a certain mood to get into them and truly appreciate the stories. Ghibli is certainly up there - but who wouldn't be with their budget?
As far as series go, Fullmetal Alchemist is well-animated IIRC. I haven't seen it in years, so I could be wrong. Oh, and Mushi-shi.
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egoist
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:16 pm
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arachneia wrote: | Oh, and Mushi-shi. |
I'll definitely support that one. Not just excellent animation, but nearly everything about this anime is exuberant. The story and its theory about a second kind of living creatures existing around the nature and the humans. Beware, extravagant expectations might ruin your experience while watching anime.
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Ghostz
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:24 pm
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Thanks guys for all your input. It's quite hard to sort of sniff out quality animated series or movies.
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catstigereye
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:41 am
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Sola this is a pretty anime you have to like the sky though!
Black Lagoon was well done you get to see the ocean and lots of blood.
now those are on the two ends of the spectrum..
enjoy
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:20 pm
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Dennou Coil, Casshern Sins, Real Drive, Kaiba, Dragon Ball Kai, Kurokami, Kurozuka & Ghost Hound are recent shows that stand out to me as being jaw droppingly well animated on pretty much every episode. I'd only watch them in HD though. You're robbing yourself of half the fun if you have to watch it in SD only you're watching it on a SDTV. In all honesty though, just look for the names Madhouse Studios or Production I.G. If you see those names involved in anything, it's pretty safe to assume it's going to look amazing.
If you don't mind specific episodes i'll suggest:
Bleach... 119, 121, 139, 140, 162 (ends within the first 5 minutes though), 166, 167, 219, 252
Naruto... 30, 48-50,131-133 (I think but it might only be 132 & 133)
Naruto Shippuuden... 26, 85, 119, 120, 123, 131, 133, 135/136 (only for a few seconds though), 137, 138,
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nightjuan
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:58 pm
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Mr. sickVisionz wrote: | ...Dragon Ball Kai... |
Don't want to be too negative here, but considering most of the show appears to be recycling the old animation, which wasn't that great to begin with, I really don't think a few reanimated frames or scenes here and there would make it particularly notable. The average is not even close to the quality of the other series you've mentioned.
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