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TatsuGero23
 Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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Like someone said earlier, Nudity doesn't not equal sexuality or sexual content or sex. Actual sex equal sex. Granted its easier to have sex when nude or partially nude, but making logic jumps like that is idiotic. If we follow the opinions and logics of these people, then we should take off a number of sponge bob episodes since they depict and acknowledge moments of nudity.
I get why they took it off, alot of us do. Further elborating on it with flawed logic just makes you look stupid. Hear that Mark Thompson, county school board president? You have been on the internet too long and fail as a responsible, credible adult. Please sign out, of the internet and life, and never come back. The article goes on to future desrcibe the offending clips and the thing that bother me the most is how, yeah, when taken out of context of the story that led up to those moments, they seem pretty bad. But when you read and come to those scenes along with the story, obviously they are jokes about eithers Goku's naiviety with other people and women, Roshi being easily swayed with perverted methods for a lecherous old man, and Yamcha looking to sneak through a window and looking into the wrong window to play off of his phobia of women. That bothers me. |
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vashfanatic
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As someone who recently discovered her local library had Transmetropolitan (which I love, but is VERY 18+) in the young adult section (reserved for kids ages 12-19) and filed a complaint recommending them to switch it to the adult section... I have a sort of sympathy for the parents here. Even in Japan, Dragonball isn't aimed at kids who are 9. It's meant for middle school and high schoolers. And it's not for adults either, which is why the child pornography comparison makes no sense. It's intended for teenagers who find this kind of raunchy humor hilarious and will get a kick out of watching a little kid be baffled by sexuality. Don't make such a big deal out of it. Just move the volumes to the appropriate place and leave it be.
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yellow ledbetter
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Honestly I am often ashamed to live in a country that is so petrified of things that are even slightly sexual. These parents are constantly hiding behind this "think about the children!" shield using it to force their own selfish motives and ethics onto the general public. It's embarrassing.
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3492 Location: Back stateside |
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Yeah, only the stuff in question is pretty darn blatant, compared to the innuendo we let under the radar in kids' programming all the time. The squawking about child porn is crap, but this series isn't meant for 9-year olds. |
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BleuVII
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And this is why Dragon Ball isn't an ecchi manga. There are reasons for all of this happening, instead of these things being the focus. However, Toriyama had to make a series of artistic choices that lead up to these scenes. The same point could have easily been made in other ways. Anyway, the discussion is going in circles at this point. I will just say one thing about sexuality in Japan though: it's not something that any country wants to emulate. From Otaku who sleep on bedsheets decorated with life-size illustrations of naked anime girls to businessmen who pay hostesses to pretend like they like them for a few hours, I think it's pretty safe to say that Japan has problems with healthy expressions of sexuality. It'd be one thing if it was a series of isolated incidents, but it's really culture-wide. Though America should be a little more lax on it's anti-sexuality, I don't think following Japan's example is the right direction to be going in. |
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ikillchicken
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Really? Let's have a look at this very handy list posted earlier in this thread. -Goku beats up a fish naked -Bulma offers Goku a chance to touch her butt in exchange for a dragon ball -Bulma bathes Goku -Bulma bathes, provided it doesn't show anything -Goku does "pat pat" on Bulma's crotch as she sleep and lays his head down on there and proceeds to take her panties off. -Master Roshi asks Bulma to see her panties -Bulma lifts up her skirt to show Roshi her panties but she has nothing on -Goku does "pat pat" on an old woman -Bulma gives Oolong her bra size -Oolong turns into a pair of panties -Yamcha watches Bulma shower, you can see Bulma naked If you want to suggest that the censorship of nudity and sexuality in general is senseless...well okay. You could at least try to make a case for that. However, if you're suggesting that Dragon Ball is appropriate for elementary school kids, even by more liberal standards...no. I find that highly doubtful.
I know repeating pretty much exactly what others have already said is sort of your thing but could you maybe choose something that hasn't already been explained to be nonsense. Lets try once more... It is a SCHOOL LIBRARY. Kids parents generally don't follow them to school. This makes it kinda impossible to check what they take out before they read it.
Yes, absolutely. I really despise when people whine about America while displaying utter ignorance towards the often equal or worse problems so many other countries have. Japan is (and I can't stress this enough) NOT the ideal goal for views on sexuality. I mean...tentacle rape. If the fact that this exists beyond the deepest darkest most unheard of corners of the porn world isn't enough indication I don't know what is. Though America has major problems, it's still vastly better than so many countries. Not to say it's not still messed up. What I hate about sexuality in America is the absurd bipolarity. On one side you have this repressed conservative view that tries to completely write sex out of existence. They can't even begin to actually address or acknowledge it in any context. Then though, you've got the other side made up of the media and corporations which are entirely determined to just sexualize the hell out of everything. Both these groups sort of play off each other with their extremity helping to make the other side appear somewhat legitimize. The nonsensical complaining from the conservatives only serves to create overly harsh but also arbitrary restrictions rather than actual reasonable standards. This forces the other side to rely on various loopholes, innuendo and suggestion which is pretty much worse than if they were just honest about it. It all combines to create this massive obsession with sex while also a sense of taboo which only serves to make it even more of a fixation. Any moderate on the subject is drowned out or painted by each side as supporting the opposite and clearly irrational other side. Any hope of even reasonable people being able to keep their kids exposure to a reasonable level is lost because while things are all sterile on the surface, kids are made even more curious by the subtext and it's just a matter of time before they end up learning all about it from some horribly messed up source like one of the kids who's parents don't give a damn and let him be exposed to anything, or older teenage kids or even worse the bloody internet. Everyone continues to bicker and all the while kids grow up to a whole new kind of fucked up. Sorry. I don't mean to rant. This crap just bugs the hell out of me. |
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takarada
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I encountered a copy of playboy when I was about seven. It was just boring, before you get hormones tits and ass are meaningless.
I think it is just parents that get upset by this sort of thing. It has no effect on children. |
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Ktimene's Lover
 Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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This accounts for the fact that manga/anime are stereotyped as Pokemon, big boobs, porn, etc. The sexual content is nothing higher than what other ecchi manga may have (depending on said series).
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Animehermit
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i would say its way less than what any ecchi manga would contain, mostly because Toriyama's not implying sexuality, he's implying humor, all of the nudity in dragon ball is played for laughs. |
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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This is almost as bad as that December story where the guy got 20 years for buying obscene manga. Simplest answer is this (though has been said before): Just be aware of what our kids watch and read.
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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hell i think this kids parents should applaud his reading anything at all, let alone something they thought was objectionable. |
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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What makes you say that, animehermit? I just hope that boy does get into porn when he's older because exposure to nudity like this could interest someone in porn.
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egoist
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Is getting interested in porn such a bad thing? At least by knowing porn you can learn how to have safe sex, something kids were never well aware of.
Society will never learn a damn about kids, they just want it the easy way, and the easy way is to never teach their kids about sex or anything related. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Wow. You've apparently been watching some pretty conservative porn. 
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penguintruth
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It seems fine to the Japanese. |
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