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darkhunter



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:57 pm Reply with quote
How do you guys feel about this article: Moe fanatic dating a pillow cases

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/magazine/26FOB-2DLove-t.html?_r=2

It's fascinating how this addiction has evolve. I'm a big fan of art, especially japanese art, so if an anime character is drawn beautifully, it's something I would appreciate. Being obsesses and giving up on reality is something else. In the article, one otaku mention that it's like having a wife and sister in one, which is kind of disturbing. If moe shows stop airing every season, the otaku population would imploded.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:05 pm Reply with quote
That's probably what ruins how people who don't see anime think about anime. Definitely don't wanna be like him ever.
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happymoose



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:16 pm Reply with quote
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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:41 pm Reply with quote
This is how bad moe really gets. This is also how bad one's lonely social life is when you start to try to act like body pillows are your lover. I may have a twisted mind but not this twisted.
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:53 pm Reply with quote
An example of evolution at work, filtering out the gene pool.
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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:59 pm Reply with quote
Kruszer, you are correct. This is how the otaku mind gets poisoned. Last semester of community college starts tomorrow. So glad!
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Johnny_Astro



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:33 am Reply with quote
It's funny, last year in my AP Human Geography class we were discussing why Japan is underspawning. Aside from being workaholics it seems some Japanese are too into anime.

I'm sure any psychologist will tell ya that this is a textbook case of transference where affection is conveyed to another person, or thing, instead of someone else. I'm no psychologist, but I would urge that man to look one up :<.

It's stories like this that sometimes remind me of how a big world can so lonely...
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:27 am Reply with quote
That story even made it to a popular comedy current events gameshow in Australia. Now some people are going to see otaku as being in love with inanimate objects, and pillows at that.
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abunai
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:01 am Reply with quote
Johnny_Astro wrote:
It's funny, last year in my AP Human Geography class we were discussing why Japan is underspawning. Aside from being workaholics it seems some Japanese are too into anime.

I doubt that that is a demographically significant section of the population. It's more likely that low Japanese birth rates correlate to the high standard of living, as in other first-world countries (all of which have low birth rates, to one degree or another).

I'm sure your APHG teacher would tell you to beware of making glib assumptions from anecdotal "data".

- abunai
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:29 am Reply with quote
darkhunter wrote:
How do you guys feel about this article?

I decided to take a chance and hoped for the best.

Instead, I get an article with an undertone of ridicule.

Then I hit the article update section (note that it's all the way at the bottom, instead of at the top where it belongs).

I stopped reading.

How I do I feel? The article solidifies my opinion about the NY Times as nothing more than (virtual) cat litterbox lining.

And to think it's the cat being blamed for the smell.
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:31 am Reply with quote
Economics and culture play a big role here as well. Many more Japanese people, particularly Japanese men, are living at home with relatives when compared to a country like the US . Here are some census figures from 2000 on the number of Japanese adults living at home with parents:

Code:
Males   Total   Living with Parents
20-24 3,020,579 2,499,618 (83%)
25-29 3,748,966 2,224,398 (59%)
30-34 3,622,488 1,311,036 (36%)
35-39 3,524,797 908,071 (26%)

Females
20-24 3,301,685 2,537,981 (77%)
25-29 4,230,561 1,934,909 (46%)
30-34 3,983,318 869,508 (22%)
35-39 3,785,022 469,892 (12%)


About a quarter of Japanese males aged 35 and 39 were living at home in 2000, twice the rate for women in the same age group. Given the relative stagnation of the Japanese economy in this decade, I doubt these figures would be very different today.

I tried finding comparable figures in US census data, but they're harder to come by. In 2008 about six percent of "family households" included a child aged 25 or older.

With such large numbers of unmarrieds at home, it's not too surprising that a proportion of them might turn to fetishistic practices like "2D love" to compensate for their failures to connect with the opposite sex and find mates. Still I'd bet they make up a tiny proportion even of these older unmarrieds.

Like abunai, I'd be pretty concerned about the kind of education you're getting in that AP class. Birth rates are highly correlated with per-capita incomes across the globe. Japan's birth rates are further depressed by its strong barriers to immigration. (The US continues to experience relatively high birth rates for an advanced country, but some of that can be explained by higher fertility among immigrants.)
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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:06 pm Reply with quote
This moe fetish is really something else: Otaku guys favoring body pillows and 2D girls over real girlfriends. No wonder an otaku's social life can be greatly hurt.
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einhorn303



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:39 am Reply with quote
Personally, I didn't find the article to be mocking...I thought it was surprisingly neutral and fair. Compared to any other article on the subject. It had a very sort of documentary-like style. Of course, it is the New York Times.

Niisan has an incredible amount of self-honesty and bravery.
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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:35 pm Reply with quote
A moe obsession is one disgusting form of fetishism and this just goes to show how socially detached that poor man is. He needs to get a real girlfriend.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:51 pm Reply with quote
darkhunter wrote:
How do you guys feel about this article: Moe fanatic dating a pillow cases.


I feel that unfortunately the case that humans evolved from apes just got much stronger. Someone hand that guy a banana.

Kruszer wrote:
An example of evolution at work, filtering out the gene pool.

That would be the good thing to come out of this case. However it seems nut jobs are on the rise, not the other way around. Therefore something must be awry.
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