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twon25
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:01 am
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i have known about, and visited animenewsnetwork for many years now. I've just signed up like yesterday because there was something that was bothering me. im not trying to cause a huge uproar or anything like that, im just really curious about what's so different between the top 200 here vs the top 200 at animenfo.com
animenfo top 10! (yes the site still is active as updates often enough)
1 Rurouni Kenshin - OVA (1999) 8.873 9.6 228
2 Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) 8.604 9.2 245
3 Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien (2003) 8.593 9.2 225
4 Full Moon wo Sagashite (2002) 8.532 9.2 213
5 Cowboy Bebop (1998) 8.512 9.0 275
6 Elfen Lied (2004) 8.499 9.1 251
7 Hikaru no Go (2001) 8.446 9.2 181
8 One Piece (1999) 8.390 9.5 126
9 Berserk (1997) 8.347 9.0 216
10 Gundam SEED (2002) 8.259 9.0 174
while on here, they rank at
1 Rurouni Kenshin - OVA = rank 1
2 Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) = rank 11
3 Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien (2003) = rank 265
4 Full Moon wo Sagashite (2002) = rank 156
5 Cowboy Bebop (1998) = rank 5
6 Elfen Lied (2004) = rank 83
7 Hikaru no Go (2001) = rank 162
8 One Piece (1999) = rank 527 (this threw me for a ride)
9 Berserk (1997) = rank 96
10 Gundam SEED (2002) = rank 235
ANN top 10!
1 Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal (OAV) 9.02 4836
2 Clannad After Story (TV) 8.95 1236
3 Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 (TV) 8.94 3325
4 Spirited Away (movie) 8.88 6258
5 Cowboy Bebop (TV) 8.87 7833
6 Death Note (TV) 8.85 7090
7 Mushi-Shi (TV) 8.83 2960
8 (The) Girl Who Leapt Through Time (movie) 8.83 2757
9 Princess Mononoke (movie) 8.83 6200
10 Hajime no Ippo: New Challenger (TV) 8.78 192
really? i mean some of these i can agree with, but others i just feel are ridiculos. so my question is why? is the fan base different between the 2 sites? maybe the newer generation is not even watching the older anime, and only focusing on the new? if you have a chance, you should just take a quick look at thier top 200 anime, and compare it with so the ranks here. this site has alot more information, i was just shocked at the rank some of the best anime i have ever seen, got the rank's it did.
are there any anime on here that you thought were just the greatest thing ever created, and are shocked at thier rank? lemme know which 
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dormcat
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:24 am
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| twon25 wrote: | | is the fan base different between the 2 sites? |
Yes.
| twon25 wrote: | | this site has alot more information |
Certainly. 
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DomFortress
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:20 am
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| twon25 wrote: | this site has alot more information, i was just shocked at the rank some of the best anime i have ever seen, got the rank's it did.
are there any anime on here that you thought were just the greatest thing ever created, and are shocked at thier rank? lemme know which |
If I have to enlist the ones that I like, it would've made my opinion too bias and thereby loosing its relevance.
However, your own observation about ANN holds the answer to your own question. Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't.
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Westlo
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:32 am
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| DomFortress wrote: | | However, your own observation about ANN holds the answer to your own question. Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't. |
Yes ANN is not a site where you would see Code Geass R2 in the top 10 while it was airing even thought that series was a complete trainwreck. Oh wait...
Btw OP you messed up on the RK OVAs.
anime#210
Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuioku Hen is ranked #1 on both sites.
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DomFortress
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:42 am
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| Westlo wrote: |
| DomFortress wrote: | | However, your own observation about ANN holds the answer to your own question. Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't. |
Yes ANN is not a site where you would see Code Geass R2 in the top 10 while it was airing even thought that series was a complete trainwreck. Oh wait...
Btw OP you messed up on the RK OVAs.
anime#210
Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuioku Hen is ranked #1 on both sites. |
Well I never cared about the series to even vote for it when it aired in Japan. Therefore somebodies else did something different when I knew better. Or it could be that I'm too delicate and sensitive toward train wreck anime. It's all relevant, I can't say all ANN readers are equally informed, when there are stuffs beside anime that can be equally informative and relevant than ANN, if not more so.
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eyeresist
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:09 am
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| twon25 wrote: | | really? i mean some of these i can agree with, but others i just feel are ridiculos. so my question is why? is the fan base different between the 2 sites? maybe the newer generation is not even watching the older anime, and only focusing on the new? if you have a chance, you should just take a quick look at thier top 200 anime, and compare it with so the ranks here. this site has alot more information, i was just shocked at the rank some of the best anime i have ever seen, got the rank's it did. |
You should have included the ANN top 10 and the position of those animes in Animenfo list, for a fair comparison.
| twon25 wrote: | | are there any anime on here that you thought were just the greatest thing ever created, and are shocked at thier rank? |
I'm used to being disappointed by the great mass of humanity.
Or, to put it another way, people are idiots. 
Ultimately, you can't let the tastes of other people affect you. Everyone has different tastes, even people you might assume have the same tastes as you. It's the variety that makes life interesting (and annoying).
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twon25
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:51 am
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| Westlo wrote: |
| DomFortress wrote: | | However, your own observation about ANN holds the answer to your own question. Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't. |
Yes ANN is not a site where you would see Code Geass R2 in the top 10 while it was airing even thought that series was a complete trainwreck. Oh wait...
Btw OP you messed up on the RK OVAs.
anime#210
Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuioku Hen is ranked #1 on both sites. |
thanks for clearing that up, i clicked the wrong title by mistake when it came to samurai x. i will be posting this sites top 10 for a fair comparison.
code geass r2 being #3 (according to the bayesian estimate) is a shocker to me. it was good, but most definatly not worth being in the top 10 if you ask me.
but i agree with you eyeresist, the masses of humanity can be very dissapointing. i watched kimi ga nozume ein and i it would most def be in my top 10 (made this grown man shed tears at the end. laugh all you want). yet its ranked 265 by the voted majority was a major shocker to me. kinda makes me wonder if i overated it myself, or are people missing the beauty i saw in it?
another question i have, is this: people who check that they have seen some of it, and rate it, does that count toward its overall rank?
if so it would suck if someone watched like 2 episodes of suzumiya haruhi, and ranked it worst ever, vs a person who watched all and ranked it very good, carried the same weight.
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Zin5ki
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:08 am
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I don't know what system animenfo use, but here I believe the effect a given user's vote has on the overall ratings is weighted by said user's 'reliability'; the extent to which they give balanced and distributed ratings overall.
The details are outlined in this thread, the system presumably playing a role in both the overall rankings as well as the individual series' bar graphs.
Along with what has been mentioned by above posters, this may account for some of the difference.
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Veers
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:25 am
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| Quote: | | Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't. |
What the hell are you talking about?
It's simply like OP wondered, the difference in the preferences and size (and perhaps age) in the user base. It has little to nothing to do with any perceived superiority of information quantity.
| Quote: | | i watched kimi ga nozume ein and i it would most def be in my top 10 (made this grown man shed tears at the end. laugh all you want). yet its ranked 265 by the voted majority was a major shocker to me. kinda makes me wonder if i overated it myself, or are people missing the beauty i saw in it? |
If it makes you feel any better I've rated KGNE as "Very Good" ;]
| Quote: | | another question i have, is this: people who check that they have seen some of it, and rate it, does that count toward its overall rank? |
That is a good question. Let me test... Hmm, I just looked at something I had marked as "seen some" and had rated "good." When I removed it from my list (and it said my rating would be removed too) and refreshed the page with the rating graph, the number did not change. So this either means that my "seen some" rating did not count towards the total, or it means that my rating did count and has not been removed, but I don't know which it is.
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Sword Magess
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:34 am
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1. Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal (OAV) - 1
2. Clannad After Story (TV) -
3. Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 (TV) -
4. Spirited Away (movie) - 39
5. Cowboy Bebop (TV) - 5
6. Death Note (TV) - 22
7. Mushi-Shi (TV) -
8. (The) Girl Who Leapt Through Time (movie) -
9. Princess Mononoke (movie) - 47
10. Hajime no Ippo: New Challenger (TV) - 15
AnimeNfo doesn't seem to list rankings beyond the top 200, so a complete comparison is not possible.
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braves
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:10 pm
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| Veers wrote: | | That is a good question. Let me test... Hmm, I just looked at something I had marked as "seen some" and had rated "good." When I removed it from my list (and it said my rating would be removed too) and refreshed the page with the rating graph, the number did not change. So this either means that my "seen some" rating did not count towards the total, or it means that my rating did count and has not been removed, but I don't know which it is. |
I believe that it takes some time for the system to refresh and apply the changes.
A rating that's under "Seen some" or "Will not finish" has the same weight as one under "Seen all". This was mentioned in the thread that Zin5ki linked to.
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Veers
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:14 pm
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| braves wrote: | | I believe that it takes some time for the system to refresh and apply the changes. |
Yar, entierly possible. Or that the page didn't refresh correctly (even though I did clear my cache right before refreshing it).
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DomFortress
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:06 pm
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| Veers wrote: |
| Quote: | | Because ANN is more informative(if not the most) than any other English website regarding anime, its readers and fan base were able to make informative choice and informative judgment overall. Therefore the shock you've felt was due to your discovery about the difference between informative and uninformative decisions, made by the people who do care about what they're watching as oppose to those who don't. |
What the hell are you talking about?
It's simply like OP wondered, the difference in the preferences and size (and perhaps age) in the user base. It has little to nothing to do with any perceived superiority of information quantity. |
And the information quantity has nothing to do with how many people are being well informed, when it's actually up to the readers' own individual effort to think about the relevance and therefore, the importance of the information itself. And age has nothing to do with just how far people would be willing to think for themselves, when it's all about making the effort to seek out truth while having the guts to see it through.
| twon25 wrote: | | code geass r2 being #3 (according to the bayesian estimate) is a shocker to me. it was good, but most definatly not worth being in the top 10 if you ask me.
but i agree with you eyeresist, the masses of humanity can be very dissapointing. i watched kimi ga nozume ein and i it would most def be in my top 10 (made this grown man shed tears at the end. laugh all you want). yet its ranked 265 by the voted majority was a major shocker to me. kinda makes me wonder if i overated it myself, or are people missing the beauty i saw in it? |
I think it's all based on how positive and negative people are allowing themselves to feel. For the extreme of either trades can lead to two different behaviors respectively; over-consumption and escapism. And when people tend to become emotionally attached to something, they'll justify their actions instead of being critical about it.
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Miranox
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:32 pm
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The major difference between this site and animenfo is the number of ratings for each show. With only 50-200 votes, ratings will vary much more, the margin of error is large and tendencies will be much more noticeable. With 1000+ votes, the average rating is stable and representative of the majority's opinion.
However, even with thousands of votes, shows can be overrated. Code Geass R2 and Clannad After Story for example, neither deserve to be in the top 10. Each is rated much higher than the first season because they receive votes mostly from people who liked the first season. Those who didn't like them didn't bother watching and rating the second season. This raises the ratings higher than they should be.
The moral is there are a number of factors that can skew the results. High ratings are a good indication that you should give the show a look, but you should also check out reviews and shows that people recommend regardless of rating.
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DomFortress
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:46 pm
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| Miranox wrote: | | However, even with thousands of votes, shows can be overrated. Code Geass R2 and Clannad After Story for example, neither deserve to be in the top 10. Each is rated much higher than the first season because they receive votes mostly from people who liked the first season. Those who didn't like them didn't bother watching and rating the second season. This raises the ratings higher than they should be.
The moral is there are a number of factors that can skew the results. High ratings are a good indication that you should give the show a look, but you should also check out reviews and shows that people recommend regardless of rating. |
That's very true. Which also explains how rating any remake, sequel, adaptation, even revival, can artificially create a false sense of popularity without real justification from one's self.
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