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vashfanatic
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:53 pm
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The_X_box_360 wrote: | -With you, yourself, having already stated your dislike for the Ristorante anime and your enjoyment of Aoi Hana manga, I assumed that you would comprehend my statement about demographics;
and furthermore assumed that you wouldn't need me to detail why a series centered around a mid-20s aged woman who's surrounded by attractive bespectacled elderly gentlemen, in a restaurant setting, might carry a significantly different mix of demographics than a series centered around two 15yr old girls who are recently united long-lost childhood friends, in a girl-love-filled high school setting. However, it seems that I was, indeed, "mistaken". |
First of all, "demographic" isn't the same as "audience." Demographic refers to age and gender make-up, whereas an audience is a matter of taste. The audience will vary even within a demographic, hence the One Piece vs. Naruto thing goes on in spite of both of them being published to the exact same demographic. Nor do I think the two series necessarily don't have an audience overlap. I found the characters and story in Ristorante Paradiso to be dull, not the genre or the style of show. I like the characters and story in Aoi Hana even though in other aspects it strongly resembles Ristorante.
And honestly, the two series havea LOT of similarities in terms of calm pacing and maturely-handled romances. That they might appeal to different audiences as to what kind of romance they like is a moot point. They're actually decidedly similar, much more so than the series prior to the both of them, which was, as Splitter pointed out, Michiko & Hatchin. And before that, IIRC, was Antique Bakery, which again is similar to both Ristorante and Aoi Hana and nothing like M&H.
So really, M&H is what stuck out like a sore thumb. The rest have all had a lot of commonalities.
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Mr. sickVisionz
Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:55 pm
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Good stuff. Crunchyroll is easily the best $6 I spend every month in terms of value and fun per dollar. I hope they can add Bleach sometime.
The_X_box_360 wrote: |
DFBTG wrote: | Not a big fan of CR (I just don't like their video player), but it'll do. |
I can, with out hesitation, assure you that Crunchyroll's video player streams smoother and in better quality than any other player used to stream anime on the internet, for me.
I, honestly, can't imagine why you'd make that comment, unless you just don't like to watch streaming video. |
I gotta agree with this. The CR player beats out YouTube, Hulu, Funimation and every other video streamer i've ever experienced, especially when you do it @ fullscreen.
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wandering-dreamer
Joined: 21 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:32 pm
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The_X_box_360 wrote: |
I can, with out hesitation, assure you that Crunchyroll's video player streams smoother and in better quality than any other player used to stream anime on the internet, for me.
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I guess I must be the odd one out since CR freezes up on me two or three times an episode and I have to re-start the whole thing. It's a toss-up between the CR player and the Funi player for which hates my computer more, but if I watch the whole thing with no pause (usually I pause once or twice) I'm good.
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TsukasaElkKite
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:45 pm
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OH HELL YES THEY ARE STREAMING AOI HANA!
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The_X_box_360
Joined: 04 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:51 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: |
First of all, "demographic" isn't the same as "audience." Demographic refers to age and gender make-up, |
I, nearly, stopped reading your post, right there......
......Commonly-used demographics include race, age, income, disabilities, mobility (in terms of travel time to work or number of vehicles available), educational attainment, home ownership, employment status, location, etc.......
.....simply because I detest going back and forth over irrelevant semantics. (hopefully, the small gray colored font in italic will squash that)
As for the rest of your statement, you should read back in my posts and see that my original comment on this programming switch ended with....
"At least, it's replacing a "mature" anime, though."
....which sums up the only true similarity between these two series.
-Sorry, but it seems you're just trying to make points by either repeating things that I've already stated, chasing after misunderstood notions of your own, or citing info that you're grossly mistaken about.
-Perhaps, if you take a step back and carefully widen your view, you'll see that there's no legitimate argument to made here.
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NOISE!, the block you speak of, actually started last fall with "Michiko to Hatchin" about an outlaw and a runaway trying to find the runaway's father. How is that anything like Ristorante? |
-I know what Noise is and when it "actually" started. I mentioned it, by name, several posts ago.
-I don't remember mentioning anything about Ristorante being a good replacement for Michiko, however, I will say that it isn't a "horrible" replacement like Aoihana is for Ristorante to me.
-You seem to have missed the point that I feel that the Noise programming switches are reminiscent of what goes on at [adultswim], and that I loathe [adultswim]. This would include Ristorante's replacement of it's predecessor.
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FireChick
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:24 pm
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Cool! The only problem I have with CR is their video players. I wait for the buffer thingy to go far before I play the video so that the video will play, but when it gets to the end of the video, it slows down completely and sometimes stops when I don't want it to.
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vashfanatic
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:03 pm
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Okay, XBox, Mr. Smartypants, I know demographics include more than age and gender (I could've added etc. to be more accurate), but let me summarize your argument as I've been reading it:
How dare they not have the same exact kind of thing in the same time slot every time? We should have one time slot for the same kind of show. Comedies at 7:00! Cop shows at 9:00! Never change, ever!
Clearly your most recent posts indicates that you're projecting your angers about the scheduling shifts this side of the Pacific instead of being a rational consideration of how television works. Previous shows may not have done as well so they're trying new things, did you consider that??
And again, I don't see how Aoi Hana is somehow the worst possible replacement for Ristorante now that it's finished. They are very similar in many ways.
I agree with others that Crunchyroll has given me huge problems in the past, as well as tremendously pixelated video quality. I'm assuming this is just for their free streams, right? If you actually pay them money, they give you better?
Oh, and where does the money go that you pay them? I personally am always concerned about this when dealing with unlicensed anime: is the Japanese company seeing any of it, or is it being pocketed by the streamer for profit?
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Shuchung
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:24 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: | Oh, and where does the money go that you pay them? I personally am always concerned about this when dealing with unlicensed anime: is the Japanese company seeing any of it, or is it being pocketed by the streamer for profit? |
Um. I would imagine so, if the Japanese companies are still backing CR with more series with each new season...
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mozychan
Joined: 01 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:34 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: | I agree with others that Crunchyroll has given me huge problems in the past, as well as tremendously pixelated video quality. I'm assuming this is just for their free streams, right? If you actually pay them money, they give you better?
Oh, and where does the money go that you pay them? I personally am always concerned about this when dealing with unlicensed anime: is the Japanese company seeing any of it, or is it being pocketed by the streamer for profit? |
Those who pay get better video quality (up to 720p). As for streaming it's good for the most part, but it's been changing over time. I've noticed the performance of the videos varies a lot depending on one's Internet connection and system specs. Sometimes I still get the "Connection closed" problem... but a page refresh fixes it most of the time.
They do license anime for online purchasing and streaming. The money they make goes towards developing and hosting the website, buying more licenses from anime studios/networks (this supports the creators), and compensating the employees so they can put bread/rice on the table. Crunchyroll is legit.
Sites that host pirated raw and fansub videos are the ones that are stealing and pocketing money earned from having ads.
-moose
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bwcbwc
Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:45 pm
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This isn't too surprising. Aoi Hana is the successor show for Restaurante Paradiso (Same production company and looks like the same time slot), and CR carried that one. A good choice.
As far as video streaming quality, I can't deal with Hulu or YouTube at all for regular viewing. For a long time Veoh was #1, with excellent buffering, but they seem to have real problems when they get advertisements from certain vendors. Anyway. For the last 2-3 weeks of June the playback was terrible on Veoh, but now it seems OK again since last weekend. Anyway, when Veoh is good, it's very, very good, but when it's bad it's terrible.
CR has only rarely had hesitations for me (paying member). It's generally more consistent than Veoh. Buffer never gets too far ahead or too far behind. The rough times seem to be when a simulcast is first released (makes sense), so they do have a tough time handling their peak load. If you wait 30-60 minutes, the load will drop and shows can be viewed cleanly. I watch at 480p since I find very little visual difference between that and 720p (for Animation, not for live action), and 480p helps save my bandwidth when that's needed.
I haven't tried the Funimation or Anime Network streaming sites. Since Veoh and CR are licensing from Funimation for some shows, I don't see much point.
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KanjiiZ
Joined: 28 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:10 pm
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I actually prefer FUNImation videos. I don't like fullscreen to begin with so the darken screen option is great.
I saw Aoi Hana and it doesn't seem like much, but I'm going to hang around it for a while.
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:10 am
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KanjiiZ wrote: | I actually prefer FUNImation videos. I don't like fullscreen to begin with so the darken screen option is great. |
If you don't watch them fullscreen I suppose Funi could be better, but their video looks horrible @ fullscreen. Crunchyroll @ fullscreen is near DVD quality and it some cases (I can only speak for the Naruto episodes i've streamed vs the ones I own boxsets for) it's equal to DVD quality. And it plays back smoothly.
When I stretch Funi to fullscreen it looks like old school YouTube (ie bad) and it's choppy.
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DFBTG
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:49 am
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The_X_box_360 wrote: |
DFBTG wrote: | Not a big fan of CR (I just don't like their video player), but it'll do. |
I can, with out hesitation, assure you that Crunchyroll's video player streams smoother and in better quality than any other player used to stream anime on the internet, for me.
I, honestly, can't imagine why you'd make that comment, unless you just don't like to watch streaming video. |
It's not the quality or anything like that, but just the overall feel of the video player. Or maybe it's just CR in general. Don't get me wrong, I have no grudge or anything against CR (and joost for that matter, don't like that site either), but I'd rather watch my streams elsewhere. Of course if they aren't legally available elsewhere I'll just have to suck it up.
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Lemoncookies23
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:34 am
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Well, if this turns out to be good, the battle's half won once again, ladies and gentlemen. If only CR dubbed and distributed as well would news like this cause me great elation.
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The_X_box_360
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:23 am
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DFBTG wrote: |
The_X_box_360 wrote: |
DFBTG wrote: | Not a big fan of CR (I just don't like their video player), but it'll do. |
I can, with out hesitation, assure you that Crunchyroll's video player streams smoother and in better quality than any other player used to stream anime on the internet, for me.
I, honestly, can't imagine why you'd make that comment, unless you just don't like to watch streaming video. |
It's not the quality or anything like that, but just the overall feel of the video player. Or maybe it's just CR in general. Don't get me wrong, I have no grudge or anything against CR (and joost for that matter, don't like that site either), but I'd rather watch my streams elsewhere. Of course if they aren't legally available elsewhere I'll just have to suck it up. |
-That's kind of weird when compared to the fact that I started watching anime videos at Crunchyroll more than anywhere else, in spring of 2008, because the whole "feel" of the player and website seemed far more professional, friendly, coordinated, higher quality and community-based etc.... than all other stream sites I'd previously seen (which includes ALL of the real video hosting sites).
-However, if you prefer sites like youtube, veoh, funi, hulu, etc... over Crunchyroll (LOL), don't look for me to beat you up about it. At least, they're all 100% legal as far as anime is concerned, excluding Veoh.com (someone should hurry and sue voeh for their negligent infringement, already )
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