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Why don't more companies legit their shows?




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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:56 pm Reply with quote
With websites like YouTube, Joost, Hulu, Funimation,Crunchyroll, Toonami Jetstream, Adult Swim, etc. becoming more popular for legitimately download able and streaming anime, why don't more companies legit their shows? I've been watching Chaos Head, Yozakura Quartet, Kurozuka, and other series that would do well to legitimately sub. And WTF is with Bandai and Kurokami? Same day release dub is not only rare but awesome? The "WTF" part was for showing it on ImaginAsian. I don't mind legitimately subbed anime or same day release dub/sub on the Web or TV but ImaginAsian is a joke. Not the channel but fact Bandai is releasing to a station that only a handful of cities in the US get. I know anime fandom is greatly niched but to have a series based off of a Korean manhwa viewable only (to quote the Marines) "the few, the proud" is dumb. They are really niching it with this. Bandai Visual's $40+ price for 2 subbed episodes on a DVD was outrageous but this is dumb. I will have to wait for the DVD to get. Actually, if Bandai had the balls to at least put both versions on a site like some of the aforementioned sites, that might help me and God knows how many other American anime fans to enjoy it the same moment the select few can.

Also, going back to the original point, Gonzo, TV Tokyo, Gainax, and Bones (Xam'd) have or will have legitimately subbed shows online and Shikabane has even been licensed already. If more Japanese companies did this (I also what I view as the all time studio big names: Toho, Toei, Tezuka Productions, Production I.G., Madhouse, etc), illegal fansubbing (actually, that's redundant) views would potentially decrease more and more.
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bucklemyshoe



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:31 pm Reply with quote
well I think most companies aren't focused on the overseas market, thier local market is a much bigger priority.

I mean can you name some animes that were made with the intent of overseas market coming before local? If you can't that pretty much answers your question.
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Maryohki



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:49 pm Reply with quote
bucklemyshoe wrote:
well I think most companies aren't focused on the overseas market, thier local market is a much bigger priority.

I mean can you name some animes that were made with the intent of overseas market coming before local? If you can't that pretty much answers your question.


Black Lagoon, Cowboy Bebop, IGXP (or whatever it was called), a lot of shows that were made in hopes of getting them licensed overseas? =/.

It's not that the companies don't care about overseas markets. It's that they're afraid of reverse importation. While they love it when people in America buy US licensed DVDs and get money to the US license-holders, they're terrified of Japanese people going to these cheaper methods to obtain their anime, since the Japanese market loves ripping off Japanese customers. And thus, a lot of companies fear the Internet, since it's world-wide, and don't want to put their stuff up there or let the US companies do it. That's why there's so little of it. I agree, it's stupid of Japan, but we have to just hope they'll learn.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:50 pm Reply with quote
I guess it'd be nice if more studios would do it, because it gives them some revenue back, it won't stop people from continuing to grab TV raws and put subtitles do it, and the subsequently release them via torrent. Why? Because we can, and want to.
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farruinn



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:15 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
it won't stop people from continuing to grab TV raws and put subtitles do it, and the subsequently release them via torrent. Why? Because we can, and want to.


What is the real driving force behind fansubs? Because "we can, and want to", or viewers want to see their favorite shows as they're released overseas? I think it's more of the latter, and legitimate streaming sites can reduce that. It doesn't mean anime will disappear from the torrent world, there will always be people who want something for nothing, but it would at least address the group of people who just want to see current anime.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:28 pm Reply with quote
farruinn wrote:
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
it won't stop people from continuing to grab TV raws and put subtitles do it, and the subsequently release them via torrent. Why? Because we can, and want to.


What is the real driving force behind fansubs? Because "we can, and want to", or viewers want to see their favorite shows as they're released overseas? I think it's more of the latter, and legitimate streaming sites can reduce that. It doesn't mean anime will disappear from the torrent world, there will always be people who want something for nothing, but it would at least address the group of people who just want to see current anime.


But there's still people who don't see streaming as the fix, since streaming still costs as much in downloaded traffic, and you usually suffer from lower quality. I guess for most people it's fine, since streaming anime on YouTube is huge, but there's still some people who prefer the highest quality possible, which means non-upscaled 720p HD fansubs, which is what a good portion of shows are now.
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Squirtle2000



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:01 am Reply with quote
Does anyone know a good place to find out if an anime is licensed or not? Only licensed series can be streamed on crunchyroll after January?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:43 am Reply with quote
Squirtle, usually by checking distributors' sites, you can find out what animes they hold the rights to. And ANN is usually one of the first to know when someone acquires a new show.

To address the issue at hand -- streaming online can be both a good and bad thing. FUNi is doing it with their shows to pique interest, it seems, and although this WON'T destroy fansubbing, it's a good way to let them know that the real companies are willing to fight them on their own turf, so to speak.

But even an idiot can find complete series on YouTube (low quality, but that doesn't change the illegality) and not pay one red cent to the companies that ought to be getting the money.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:25 am Reply with quote
Wait a minute, since when was "legit" a verb?? "Legitimize," yes, but "legit," no.

Anyway, the answer I've heard at numerous conventions, regarding "Why don't the Japanese companies release DTO/streaming anime?", is that the Japanese companies are old-fashioned and fear the Internet. And I'm sure we can all guess why they fear the Internet.

As for shows made with overseas markets in mind...how about Trinity Blood, Gun x Sword, Chrono Crusade, Samurai Champloo, Paradise Kiss, Red Garden...heck, most of GONZO's output between 2002 and 2006?
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HMMcKamikaze



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:04 am Reply with quote
The would explain why Gonzo was so willing to stream shows on sites like Crunchyroll since that does reach the American market.
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