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MMORPGAL
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With the new release of the Dragonball trailer I have noticed that people have very wide degrees of how this movie will turn out. Some people believe that the movie looks awful and completely unfaithful to the Manga/Anime. Some people believe that it looks great and turn into a smashing success. I for one am more intrested in how this movie performs and what it will mean for the futre of anime film adaptations and the effects of how Japanese animation will be distrubuted. One thing that has to be considered is budget of Dragonball is at 100 million dollars. Should Dragonball be able to hold up to the staggering investment put in by the producers it would mean that anime is a much more profitable industry for studios to take intrest in. That in turn means that there will be more anime on telivision to capitilize on the popularity of anime. However if the Dragonball does indeed bomb as a fair number of people believe what does that mean? Would it mean that producers would no longer look at an anime in a serious light for inspiration? Would it mean that networks such as Adult Swim a standard of Anime In the U. S. will no longer show or even halt anime altogether. Perhaps I am wrong to see Dragonball as a turning point for the future of anime in the U. S. but what do you think. Do you believe Dragonball will ultimately be a good thing for anime or could it quite possibly be another failed attempt at making anime accessible to mainstream western audiences. Also, what do you think is needed to allow anime to be more successful to western audiences.
(side note this is my second post so thank you for your support.) MMORPGAL |
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Unit 03.5-ish
Posts: 1540 Location: This space for rent |
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You know, I think live-action adaptations are still an iffy proposition. We've seen how horribly they botch VIDEO GAME adaptations (Resident Evil, anything by Uwe Boll, etc.), so to say I'm wary of big-budget Hollywood versions of anime is an understatement.
The Evangelion movie's been in limbo for how long now? And there was once a rumor that the WETA people were going to handle the CG and such? And I think there'd be general bitching because, as we know, Evangelion fans are a hard lot to really make completely happy (ironic since it's such a depressing show, eh?), but I don't know if it'll ever get off the ground. Let's pray they don't start mining the early OVAs, because then the idea that anime IZ JUST VIOLENT PORNO LOLOLOL will be perpetuated again, and hell, the stereotype still hasn't been shaken completely. Now, if done properly, I think some shows have potential. Cowboy Bebop might, MIGHT work well as live-action if Kanno still handles soundtrack duties and the main cast is solid. IMO, a great mystery/crime/girls and guns movie could be Noir, one of the coolest and most stylish animes that no one has ever heard of. Shame that show never got much attention. |
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TheVok
Posts: 613 Location: North York, Ontario, Canada |
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The DragonBall movie certainly wasn't only produced with 'anime in the U.S.' in mind. Nothing costing $100 million is aimed only at the domestic market; 20th Century Fox is peddling this very much on an global scale (note that the trailers popping up are international, not just U.S.-based) and in that respect it could prove profitable.
Increasingly, youth-oriented fantasy movies do better overseas than in North America. The difference is often extremely pronounced, such as with The Golden Compass, which seemed like a pricey flop in the U.S. but was actually a huge blockbuster, raking in more than $370 million around the world (with only a paltry $70 million of that coming from the North American box office). A more recent example is The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor; just over $100 million domestic, but almost $300 million overseas. Another is Prince Caspian, which Disney kinda flubbed in North America ($140 million) compared to the international market ($278 million). As crappy as it looks, I'd say the DragonBall movie is in the category of these movies. I'm not saying it will succeed, but there are reasons that 20th Century Fox expects it will--and they probably have almost NOTHING to do with anime fandom in the U.S. |
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Youkai Warrior
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I'm not really into anime getting live action adaptations. For one, it changes the roots of the work. Anime is Japanese. If made into a western live action movie, they will Amercanize it in some way.
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Spike from Buffy is cosplaying a green alien, and is wearing horrible green makeup for the role.
...I don't need to say anything else, do I? But I will. I've caught eps of Dragon Ball (first series) on CN and really enjoyed the quirky and quaint charm of the show, as well as the adorable naivete of then-young-boy Goku. I really don't like DBZ or GT at all, but Dragon Ball was definitely a cute and likable show, but sadly, they seem to be going with more "ZOMG AKSHUN RARGH!" for the live-action movie. Remember that really horrible unlicensed DBZ ripoff movie that looked like it had the production budget of a typical Power Rangers episode? Sadly, that's probably more entertaining than this new movie will ever be. |
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Eruanna
 Posts: 451 Location: Canada |
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All of you guys are missing the posters main question. He/she did not ask your opinion on the Dragonball movies, or on adaptations in general.
What the question was is how will this movie effect anime to live action media in the future. Unfortunatly I have no idea, although judging by the success of a number of marvel superhero movies one after the other (started with X-Men and Spiderman and then went kablooie!), it might be a good guess that the same sort of explosion could happen if this movie does well. |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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But OK, I'll give my two cents on the original thought. Anime is more popular than it was ten years ago, but it's still something of a "niche" or "cult" market. That being said, I don't know how far the live-action-anime-adaptation market will go, but Dragon Ball is one of those shows, like Yu-Gi-Suck and Sailor Moon, that everyone's heard of, so sadly, I think it'll mostly be the mainstream stuff that gets the live action treatment. That being said, I'm surprised no one's announced a live Gundam movie... |
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LuckySeven
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Maybe not with Dragonball, but on some level I'd like to see anime based live-action films become a success. It would be very beneficial to the anime industry if it did I believe. I say this because when people like something, they always want more of it. A successful live-action anime adaptation might lead to increased sales for the related anime. At least I think so, but I'm only making guesses to be honest.
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Unit 03.5-ish
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One issue with live-action anime-based movies is that, well, with the exception of stuff like Pokemon, most animes released theatrically over here have done pretty poorly (such as Mononoke, for example; I don't know how Escaflowne did in theaters, but I doubt its performance was anything special).
Of course, the outsiders might just think it's a cool-looking sci-fi piece and not make the anime connection, which could, in turn, start a cycle where they Google the movie name and acquire an interest in the original source material. If that were to happen, it may actually BOOST the semi-ailing sales of DVDs. |
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MMORPGAL
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After reading some of the replies I believe that several highly good points have been made about the effects that the Dragonball movie will have on the Anime industry in general(Thank youLucky Seven, Unit 03.5-ish and Eruanna especially
 ). I personally think that a big step in the right direction of getting films based off anime taken more seriously would be to have great talent at the helm of these films. For instance, if you have A Death Note movie and it is directed by Bret Ratner then the generaly population will look down on it like it is automatically filled with epic fail, but if you change that director to Martin Scorsese (who essentially made a Death Note Movie with the Departed.) then suddenly you have every otaku worshiping every trailer put out before the release adding to that bonfire of hype (much like what the hype for the Watchmen Right Now). But do you think there will be any reprocutions should Dragonball bomb like many believe it will to the anime industry in the U. S.
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Well, whether or not the movies are anything I would want to personally see, I would encourage studios to do this if it helped with anime sales. They've been sagging a bit lately, and if there's a chance this approach could re-energize the market, then I'm all for it. If more people become interested in the stuff thanks to the movies, it can only benefit the industry.
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Blueshift
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Its hard to say what the impact will be of this "Adaptation"
My guess is that it will come and pass with the wind, and im not entirely sure i mind. You see, its a gut reaction to want to support this movie, in hopes to give more clout to our precious anime genre, In hopes that this somehow will stimulate the anime industry and in return create new artistically brilliant anime. Now lets crash the dream and offer a more harsh reality. If this ends up sucking and yet succeeds, then it might actually hurt anime, let me explain: Companies that succeed in making money tend to reproduce the successful products, So if you feed consumers shit and they still will buy it, then they will not strive for excellence and keep putting the same shit out. Now Imagine all those idiots who go to shitty movies (stupid jocks, scenekids, hyper 8 year olds)... these people feed the industry that puts out this crap. Now heres the SCARY PART!!!!! imagine a slew of anime to movie adaptations that are no true to originals that absolutely suck monkey ballz? What are the implications!!?!?!? This could also bring a slew of crappy anime to the table. Imagine anime movies and anime that are hollywoodified with super cool teen drama crapification????!!! do we really want that? I personally see Anime as somewhat of a virgin from the hands of Hollywood cheese. My experience on "anime being modified to support a more multicultural market" worry me. I like Anime to feel Japanese. Ps If you have seen the preview then you can already assert that this will not be a "true to original" adaptation by any means. Success with this might equal "non true to original" adaptations. this is all just conjecture 
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Blueshift basically gave the flip side of what I was talking about.
I hate to say it, but this movie might be popular amongst the... There's no way to put this politely: the idiot crowd. The same people who keep supporting those shitty, shitty, SHITTY Selzter and Friedburg abortions (Epic Movie, Date Movie, Disaster Movie, et al). If THAT'S the kind of people who will make these adaptations popular, then it might be better if the concept went off in the corner and died an unceremonious death. |
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TheVok
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I didn't miss it at all. Nor did I give my opinion of the movie or of adaptations in general. I framed my reply around the issue of 'anime in America,' on which I firmly believe this movie will have NO effect whatsoever. Its performance at the U.S. box office will not affect the future of anime-to-live adaptations in the future. After all, 'Speed Racer' was a hugely costly flop, yet other anime adaptations are proceeding nonetheless. |
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siken
Posts: 56 Location: Henrico |
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Personally I thought the game > live action was a kick*** idea and they did really well.
Resident Evil: Extinction had nothing to do with the game except the title and zombies and that went well. (I even bought the shirt for it xD ) Its kinda like thinking about those side movies that you get with an anime. (I.E. Broly showing up) If you can take a comic from america and make it into a live action and being able to produce more means it wasn't a bad idea. Other wise where would they keep grabing the money from and/or why would they keep making it? Batman is about to come out in theathers again because of its great success and not a lot of movies can do that. Japan can do it as well obviously with the success of death note along with misa's hair being black. Bringing the two together though.. having americans do a japanese adaptation is a little wierd but has not been done. As far as it effecting anime.. I doubt it. I mean Cowboy being the only anime to reach theathers was a great success and it makes me sad that the girl who leapt through time didn't get put in theathers but hopfully they'll make a live action of it. Adult Swim gets a lot of viewers already and those people would keep watching anime are going to continue weather the success of DB fails or wins. When someone sees a screening of DB and gets their oppinion out then we'll start to see how DB is going to turn out. As of now though with people bashing a movie they've never seen it only looks like the fans are going to see it. In fact if the movie does bad then maybe another company will step up to make a better one. I don't think this movie needs a perfect adaptation because you've already seen it and you know whats going too happen so for that why even bother going to go waste money just to watch real life people do it. I wouldn't atleast. I do agree though that the characters atleast need to be some-what perfect as far as attitudes. Everyones screaming "Omg bulma's hair isin't blue -cry-". This isin't right that doesn't look right blah blah blah. This movie sucks because all of this small details aren't matched. Yeah.... ok.... you make the movie then. I'm not saying DB will make or break but I am saying im tired of people talking like they have seen the movie already. |
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