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walw6pK4Alo
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This whole thing about CDs is what's bothering me more than anime. It would seem the RIAA is completely against MP3 players and even legal distribution methods like iTunes, simply because people don't have to give them 90% of the money spent on a CD. Didn't they try a lawsuit about having mp3's from a legal CD a person owned on an MP# player being now illegal, or wanting to be illegal? It makes no sense and it seems that what they'd want is for us to blindly buy CDs and only use them on CD players.
I hate them so much, I haven't bought a CD in years. |
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Kevin_Clouser
Posts: 19 Location: London, United Kingdom |
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From the looks of it, ACTA will probably get passed.
When it does get enforced, it should make for some fun times on the internet.... |
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cloud1989
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well at least for canada it strickly states sharing is subject to a fine, so they can continue to use p2p with uploading disablitities, direct download, usenet, irc as much as they want. As for ACTA ISP's wouldn't be required to hand over info just like that, but organazations like the riaa can request customer info without getting a court order or whatever they needed, making it easier, so its not as if ISP's have to hand over info of their own free will, the arctical makes it looks as if if it was passed the ISP's would have to monitor and and hand over all the suspects to the government or something.
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Kevin_Clouser
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All of it really depends on the final wording of the treaty.
If the treaty empowers law enforcement authorities to track and shut down illegal trading sites, then the FBI and local law enforcement will be having a field day enforcing it. If anything, it will expand their powers, making it easier to track down, shut down, and arrest those offering illegal material. The treaty will still have to be ratified by Congress, although I have no doubt that it will be passed. |
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Pepperidge
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In Canada, treaties like ACTA would not have to be voted on by Parliament. If the Prime Minister chooses to ratify it, that's pretty much it. And seeing as how it complements the upcoming Copyright bill nicely, I can't see him turning it down.
I like to think that it's not completely hopeless. I mean, we did bail out of Kyoto, right? 
We don't know what the bill strictly states yet in regards to fines, only the major issues that it touches on. But it shouldn't matter if the bill leaves a small gap that people are still able to get around in order to download... the issue here is that this copyright legislation is going to get its fingers nice and sticky in our own personal privacy. We will essentially no longer own our own content, and Canadians will never have a legal hope of contributing towards new, more progressive distribution methods or similar business models. The only hope at this point is that the bill isn't a confidence motion. And if it is, we'd better pray that logic pulls a u-turn at an intersection and: a) the Liberals vote against the bill, triggering a summer election, making them heroes on this particular issue; b) the Liberals either win the next election or maintain a minority government of some kind. But given the current voting trends in Canada, they'd more likely wind up being "an heroes" in the end as the Conservatives win a majority government. That will bring us back to not just square 1 on this issue, but square -1. |
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marie-antoinette
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It is only "protected" CDs which are mentioned and most CDs do not have this protection on them (unless I am completely not understanding what the term protected means). Thus most of the CDs out there would not be an issue. I also don't see where you are getting this anti legal downloading thing from. |
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krelyan
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Yes, a lot of these exaggerations that come up anytime anyone mentions "copyright protection" get rather annoying. |
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xSaber
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For fellow Canadians who would not like to see such a proposal pass send complaint emails to these three:
Jim Prentice: [email protected] Stephen Harper: [email protected] [email protected] I don't think the gov needs the ability to know exactly what every average joe is doing on the internet. |
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ikillchicken
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As I said the last time this came up, it's tough to really say anything without knowing the specifics of exactly this will mean.
From what I can interpret so far though: I don't care if they want to make it illegal to copy protected CDs as long as it is only protected CDs. All that will do is make "protected" a synonym for "do not buy". If companies want the ability to sell content without giving you the right to copy that content for other personal use, I don't particularilly see why they shouldn't be able to. It just means they will produce a product that nobody wants. "and prevent video recorders from copying shows that have been flagged by the broadcasters." If this means that you can't duplicate something after recording it, then whatever. If this prevents you from recording certain things in the first place then thats pretty stupid. It's not that big of a deal since it's pretty tough to stop people from or punish people for doing this. Until they follow it up with a bill allowing them to monitor my DVD recorder it's a pointless law. The $500 per file fine is definitely more than I would recommend. Assuming that file literally means one computer file anyway. 500 total would be somewhat reasonable. However it is way to easy for this to add up. Somebody could download a single CD and be facing close to 10,000 in fines. That hardly is proportionate to the crime. Of course all this is still dependent on their ability to catch downloaders. Thats very difficult under the current laws which is why ACTA definitely worries me more than this. For no reason should ISPs be forced to give up your information without a court order. |
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Pepperidge
Posts: 1106 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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I know that there have been some comments made in threads related to this topic which faintly justify this bill as letting pirates get what's coming to them, and suggest that it's detractors are blowing it out of proportion to they can justify their actions. I need to point out that this perspective is missing the bigger picture substantially. This issue is not about downloading stuff for free - it is about how we are able to use and access information, and this upcoming legislation is going to put massive restrictions on how we do both.
What tends to be overlooked is how this is going to affect educators and librarians. The Canadian DMCA is going to make accessing articles and information substantially harder, even for these people who work in service for the public. In order to access a wealth of material, teachers and librarians will be forced through "digital tollbooths". It will add an unprecedented amount of red tape to accessing educational materials they currently use, making the process much more costly and much more cumbersome. And they have it bad enough as it is! With this copyright legislation (likely the most restrictive copyright bill in the western world), everyone loses. Well, everyone in this country, anyway. |
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cloud1989
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maybe they will take all that into consideration and not pass it? I wish governments were that smart.
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Universe
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Here is an email I received shortly after 1:00pm today from Industry Canada.
The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age. What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians? Specifically, it includes measures that would: -expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements; -implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy; -clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and -provide photographers with the same rights as other creators. What Bill C-61 does not do: -it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation What this Bill is not: -it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner. For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter. The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P. Minister of Industry The Honourable Josée Verner, P.C., M.P. Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women and Official Languages and Minister for La Francophonie For the latest news see: CBC News ‘Copyright law could result in 'police state,' critic warns’ National Post ‘New Copyright Act targets online piracy’ National Post ‘Marni Soupcoff: Blogosphere reaction to Canada's new Copyright Act’ Globe and Mail ‘Ottawa tables copyright bill’ The Ottawa Citizen ‘Hard Line: Copyright legislation promises to get tough on violators’ Last edited by Universe on Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:03 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Fear Ghoul
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Well that poses an interesting quandry: Governments are usually advised by people who are highly knowledgable and respected in their fields (there are of course exceptions), so you would think that they know what they are doing. In theory... |
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marie-antoinette
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The problem is in this case the government seems to have been advised by the people whom this bill is favoring while ignoring concerns by groups who will be negatively affected by the bill.
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Tsukasa27
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Can you imagine how much money it is gonna cost the government if they are to apply this law strictly?
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