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Lord Geo
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To be fair, this description of the Ratio System only applies to Capcom vs SNK 1. CvS2 use the "Free Ratio System", where you'd pick between 1 & 4 characters first, and then select their respective ratios yourself, so if you went with two characters you could divvy them up as 3 & 1 or 2 & 2, and if you went with three characters then you could pick who's the Ratio 2, while the other two both get to be Ratio 1s. The people who play CVS2 competitively tend to go with 3-person, 2/1/1 teams by default, though I think there is the rare 2-person team player. Personally, I always just went with the KOF-style 3-on-3 option, since I was never a fan of the Ratio System in the first place, but that (& the 1-on-1 option) aren't actually in the arcade original that CFC2 will be using, so I guess I'll have no choice but to get used to the Free Ratio System. |
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mdo7
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Ah yes, the topic that almost rarely get covered amongst anime/manga and video gamer fandom: Censorship in Japan!!!
Does anybody remember Fallout 3 getting censored in Japan because of the blowing up Megaton quest (along with the gore censorship)? Oh, and what about Mafia 2's Playboy magazine getting censored in Japan? I remember talking about these censorship a lot back in late 2000's and early 2010's amongst gamers and anime fans when it comes to those. Oh yeah, thanks for bringing back Beast War's Japanese dub, I mean the Japanese made opening reminds me of 4Kids' One Piece's rap OP. Both of them are so corny by today's standard. But I've seen better OP of a western cartoon for the Japanese market like for example, X-Men: TAS had a bad-ass rock music along with anime animation OP. Anybody watched The New Adventure of Batman, the one with Adam West and Burt Ward voiced Batman and Robin? When it went to Japan, it got a catchy Japanese intro (no anime-styled intro), but the singer made a very well-catchy tune for the Japanese version of that cartoon (although the Japanese voice-acting had things that turns me off from the dub). For those of you that may have watched Gerry Anderson's Terrahawks, when this went to Japan, it got a brand new anime OP made for it, and a nice ending song for it (along with the same anime animation ED). On a cooler note, I learned from a clip of a podcast that Gerry Anderson wanted Terrahawks originally to start out as an anime. Well, I hope my post bring out some interesting enlightenments here. |
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FilthyCasual
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mdo7
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Heh, sort of from what I've heard from people that watched and understood the Japanese dialogue from the dub. Beast Wars Japanese dub wasn't the only one that got the 4KIDS and Ghost Stories styled treatment. Remember I mentioned X-Men: TAS with the stylized anime OP, yeah when it was shown on TV Tokyo, and I'll quote Wikipedia (unless somebody can verified this):
Also, I'm going to bring up the 1987 TMNT cartoon into this too because when the TMNT 1987 cartoon was dubbed and shown in Japan, TV Tokyo (yes, the same one that broadcast X-Men: TAS) did this according to this 2010 reliable blog entry on history of TMNT in Japan:
And this is where the TV Tokyo dub of TMNT 1987 cartoon gets interesting:
That's right 2 Japanese characters had to have a minor name changes for the Japanese dub (TV Tokyo only had this change, but not the NHK2 dub). |
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Wack Sage
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Eh I think that's overselling it quite a bit. Blast Wars had tons of humor from 4th wall breaks to outright Looney Tunes slapstick even in English. |
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AiddonValentine
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I always found the grousing about Mega Man to be deeply unserious and entitled considering how Mega Man has so many games there is literally one for every year the franchise has been around. There's a reason why Mega Man was seen as the model of franchise oversaturation and acting like he's being disrespected when the series has some of the best remasters available is nonsense. Do not turn into the Earthbound/Paper Mario fanbase. It doesn't help that CAPCOM literally has so many franchises it's gonna take awhile just to do remasters, let alone any sequels.
Speaking of which, Onimusha, of which most people clamoring for it have never actually played the series. What I hope for is they aren't going the Souls route with it; Nioh already has that covered. Also interesting how it's in the Edo period in Kyoto. I'm mostly just wondering which dramatic actor they're gonna use for the main character this time. I'm gonna make a guess and say Mackenyu. I mean, hey, he'd just be following in his dad's footsteps with samurai. It's very fascinating to look at Japanese censorship when we see what's cut out. People always like to pretend that Japan is some censor-free paradise where people can have as many butts and swearing as they want. HA. Far from it, and a lot of it wasn't because of Western imperialism (though there is plenty of that). For example, a lot of the time dismemberment isn't shown because of traditions with seppuku for instance. If you ever see a head cut off, that's inaccurate and is mostly for convenience. What you're actually supposed to do is sever the spine, but leave the last bit of tissues because otherwise that's dismemberment which is considered humiliation. You can see why being someone's second was considered a huge responsibility. |
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residentgrigo
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Censorship in Germany is a near-dead topic and outright bans basically don´t exist anymore despite us having been the world's No. 1 bogeyman when it comes to Nanny States. Dead Space 1 got an 18+ without cuts on its 3rd and final appeal to the USK in 2008 and essentially transformed the ratings process. The broad Swastika and Nazi thematic ban in gaming, the very final frontier of media censorship, that led to Indiana Jones and the Iron Phoenix halting development outright was overturned in the mid-2010s so modern audiences don´t even know how good they have it now. My bachelor´s thesis was on WW2 in gaming. No Hard Feelings and American Pie are all 12+ and there are All Ages films with non-sexual full frontal nudity. Even Berserk´s 3rd movie has a 16+ despite being R-18 in Japan. Gaming never had an issue with sex either. A prostitution tycoon game famously got a 12+ in the 00s leading to the developer appealing to get a 16+ to not harm sales. Drugs were also ok to touch or use in 16+ to 18+ games. A well-known issue in Australia that more or less saw the light these days. That leaves Japan as the only first-world democracy with media censorship worth noting.
I don´t know of a single CERO Z (Adults Only) game that features female nipples so we are going on at least 23 years of no nudity in Japanese console or handheld games. Please enlighten me if such a unicorn exists! Look up how the cartoon penis scribbles in the Last of Us 2 got censored. Straight-out gore (beheadings, human dismemberment, disembowelment, etc.) is fully off the table and sensitive topics such as atomic warfare or some Yakuza cliches are a no-go too. That wasn´t the case till the late 90s. A bunch of FAMICOM games famously had nudity and Japan was the land of gore porn but the Otaku Murderer moral panic ended all of that. A generation has passed and the censorship is only growing more extreme. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Make it even more awkward by revealing the original female character you beat up in at least one of these games is a trans woman.
Now if only someone would apply this logic to all those weird English/Germanic names from all those Japanese light novels, anime, & manga. |
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An Unchosen One
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The TokiMemo mention at the end got me thinking of a video I watched by someone who said that 2 was a criminally overlooked game that improved on everything the original did, but was also released much too late in the PS1's lifecycle and thus went largely ignored.
Maybe now that Konami's back on publishing console games, they could give it a second chance if the original's remake sells well enough.
Wasn't it that Poison was made trans in the US release to justify beating her up, but has always been a cis woman in Japan? |
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FinalVentCard
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I mean, yeah, we would be very remiss in forgetting Megatron's rubber ducky or his nuclear fart, but Beast Wars was still the gold standard for Transformers storytelling for a long time--helped in no small part to expanding on a lot of lore concepts like the nature of Sparks or the character growth (Dinobot, Blackarachnia's relationship with Silverbolt).
Yeah, I remember being around in those days where people couldn't make enough jokes about Mega Man sequels and spin-offs. Full disclosure, I'm also rather bitter because it felt to me like folks really turned their noses up at Mega Man Zero and ZX. Zero had amazing story and at times could feel like a pared-down 2D take on the Ninja Gaiden remakes (congrats on reaching this boss with an A-rank, your reward is he's stronger now). ZX was a bit sloppier but it detailed a fascinating future what with the biometals and humans and reploids having become functionally indistinguishable. And for all that people hammer on about Volnutt being stuck on the moon: ZX Advent also ended on a cliffhanger...
I'm hopeful! Capcom's done a great job of looking at the past, be it spiritually with Kunitsu-Gami or practically with the Onimusha 2 remake. I, too, hope it doesn't go the Souls-like route.
Okay, but can we agree that Bobson Dugnutt and Onsom Sweemey are hilarious?
Yeah, Capcom had tried to compromise at the time by claiming that Poison was trans (which, given current circumstances, only makes it worse). Capcom has waffled on the subject since, and currently their official stance is "let the audience decide"--but they also worked with GLAAD to make sure their depiction of Poison in Street Fighter X Tekken was above-board. Back on the American SNES release for Final Fight, though, Poison and Roxy were flat-out replaced with two new male enemies, Billy and Sid. (Named after Billy Idol and Sid Vicious, perhaps?) |
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mdo7
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For anyone that are wondering or skeptical: This is true!!! I am aware that Poison is a cisgender women in Japan, but here's my question: Even if Poison is a cisgender woman, would she be coming out to defend transgender folks? Would she wear a T-shirt colored in transgender flag, and the same shirt said "Trans right are Human right" enlarged on there even if she is a cisgender women? Speaking of transgender, Dirty Pair had an episode that was progressive and woke for it's time when it comes to transgender right, and this came out in 1985!!! And no, this episode didn't cause any controversy or any backlash from Japan's conservative government when it was broadcasted in Japan: |
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BadNewsBlues
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I had actually forgotten I stumbled on Poison’s background years ago from somewhere. And now remembered why I forgotten. It was confusing. They’re trans how they got there I don’t wanna know with all the zig & zags. |
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AiddonValentine
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The thing about Mega Man and CAPCOM is that there just aren't enough hours in the days to go through the back catalog. They can go back and make them available, but expecting to get a revival series is just ludicrous. Aside from a couple instances of cliffhangers (which is why cliffhangers in anything should be avoided), the series has more than enough stuff to get through and satisfy people. There's a difference between asking for representation and demanding infinite stuff to the detriment of everything else. And sometimes things just run their course, they don't need to go on forever |
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Varkias
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Project Justice is finally getting a rerelease? Now all we need is Tech Romancer!
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mdo7
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Uh Project Justice is included as as part of Capcom Fighting Collection 2 which will come out in May, don't tell me you didn't see the announcement trailer (that trailer came out 5 months ago), or the pre-order trailer (which came out a few days ago), how on earth did you missed that or the ANN article mentioning that back in August? I understand you don't go to ANN a lot, but I can't believe you didn't know about this. |
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