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Kiwi93
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That Bloomberg report was really eye opening and I’m hoping that Sony will finally wake up and work on making CR better, Crunchyroll has its issues and a lot of valid criticisms but I don’t want them to fail I want them to improve.
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residentgrigo
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In the novel's universe of Snow Crash 1992 the term Disney has become the label for all movies due to them having acquired all major studios. We are well on our way in our very own boring dystopia to have half a dozen outlets own the entire media landscape.
From Bloomberg: Producing anime normally costs around $200,000 to $300,000 per episode on average, a sum anime studios easily cover through deals with Western distributors, according to anime industry workers in Japan. Due to the new competition, license fees for popular Japanese programs are “going through the roof,” one of those workers said. Rising fees may impact the profitability of Crunchyroll. This is the exact figure that the canceled Tokyo Babylon cost per ep and we heard similar numbers from Gonzo productions in the 00s. Film and TV budgets in Japan have long plateaued due to Japan´s flat economy so this number was likely true when digital animation took over post-2000 and will remain the same for the rest of the decade. My biggest takeaway from the report. Sony is still run like shit but that´s public knowledge due to North Korea. It´s also nice to know that Japanese companies and authors don´t like Crunchyroll either. A trash company from the start and only getting worse. I couldn´t care less what happens to them. |
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Thulebox
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Um what are you referring to here? I can't think of any Sony/North Korea thing except that Seth Rogen movie from years ago. |
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Thulebox
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I have to say for all the talk in this discussion about how awful the reporting on this was by video game press this article was extremely bone dry in any actual interesting insights.
Like people know Kadokawa are more than the "Fromsoftware Parent Company" in the Anime community so they get frustrated. Yet everyone in the Community continues to refer to Funimation owned Crunchyroll as exclusively a "Crunchyroll" issue even though we got more confirmation in that Bloomberg article that Funimation is wearing Crunchyroll's face and making this merger a very hostile thing including standing on a moral high ground and looking down at the Crunchyroll side as pirates cause of the sites origins. I could go on for so much longer with so much that there is to chew on and this was really disappointing to see pop up and feel like they just lightly touched upon this to have a vapid "see I told you so" to dogpile on the Crunchyroll sucks sentiment that so many Sloptubers shovel down the content pipeline. |
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Joe Mello
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While I agree that the Venn Diagram between anime fans and game fans is growing ever closer to a circle, there is plenty of association to the one that the other does not want to be associated with. I like video games, but I refuse to consider myself a "gamer," and plenty of video game enjoyers would think "otaku" is a worse slur than some of the actual slurs.
Re: Crunchyroll and the state of the industry, I'm reminded of some pull quotes from Cory Doctorow's latest newsletter:
Corporations are acutely aware that there's an ever-growing demand for product, and that product is made by people who have to make it, so the corporations will do whatever they can to wring as much return-on-investment as possible. The people who are passionate about anime, even if they are in the C-suite, will not fully yield to the needs of capitalism, so they ended up losing whatever voice they may have had. It's also another way of framing the AI debate; instead of a human who is compelled to make art, it's a machine compelled to do the "same" thing, except it doesn't need paid days off can in theory be licensed out or sold back to recover some of the cost of ownership. |
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Hatless
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This conversation is now about AI.
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garfield15
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I read that Bloomberg article and was livid when I saw there was a part about the higher execs viewing anime as low-priority kids shows. Like if the number one anime streaming service has these kinds of people at the top, the calls are coming from inside the house at this point.
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Iritscen
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Shame that there was no direct mention of Crunchyroll turning off comments and doing away with reviews in July. The site used to feel like a community (granted, with many members of the community being 1/3 of my age and a bit immature). You could scroll down after watching an episode to get other people's opinions on what we just watched, and see funny bits from the episode being pointed out. Now C'roll is just a dumb TV station, and you can either tune in and watch mutely or tune out.
Supposedly this change was made due to unsavory comments being left on recent shows, but that was a simple matter of moderation being needed. The choice to instead remove the ability to write anything, and hide all of the past writings from users, gives the impression of a corporation focused on the bottom line at the cost of understanding what creates user loyalty. Right now Crunchyroll is The Anime Site for all viewers in the West (or at least the U.S.? I don't know what is available outside the country) -- every other dubber is either gone or absorbed into the FuniCrunchy blob -- but heaven forbid an upstart disrupter comes along and starts stealing away licenses to new shows…. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Simple matter, Not a simple fix. Toxic behavior can be moderated not stamped out. |
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nobahn
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If you compel all users to provide I.D. proof that is attached to all posts, then you are more than half-way there to dealing with the trolls. |
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Iritscen
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No need to resort to such extreme measures. Moderation isn't that difficult. Most parts of the Internet manage just fine with a small team of moderators. C'roll was simply unwilling to pay anyone to do it.
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Shay Guy
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Oh? Hey, ANN forum moderators! Would you say moderating Internet communities is easy? |
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BadNewsBlues
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The $64,000 question. |
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KiraV
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To be fair, with Funiroll we're talking about a (largely paid) service run under the auspices of a major global conglomerate. They have levers and resources that a site like ANN can't even approach. For instance, even without considering an I.D.-based approach like someone suggested above (which I'm not a fan of), you could easily limit comments/reviews to paid users if moderation is being overwhelmed. At that point you can then evaluate further steps like revoking posting permission for bad actors and tying the block to payment methods. It's possible Funiroll did consider these types of possibilities and made an educated choice, but it's just as possible they saw eliminating community features as the easy and cheap way out. It's not like people have many (legal) choices. |
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MagicConan14
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The ID lockout idea sounds good on the surface, but it has an obvious flaw...to say you're, say, over 13, you just tick a box, even when you're not actually over 13. However, trying to implement more steps, like including and verifying photo ID (as I've seen some job sites do), would become a bigger barrier/deterrent to more people signing up to the service. Ever since the rise of social media having an age limit, kiddoes have just been exploiting it.
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