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MFrontier
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Re:Zero is back! With great animation/directing, strong character dynamics and intrigue, and Subaru Natsuki catching up on all the deaths and despair he missed in the one year time skip!
Not even five minutes into the episode and Regulus is already going on a rant! It didn't take him that long at all. Well, I guess it's good that the Sin Archbishops don't all get along because the only thing keeping Emilia safe from Sirius is Regulus wanting her to be his new wife. Poor Otto. Dude just out to get some sweets and ends up running into frikkin' LYE, the Archbishop of Gluttony, of all people. Guy can't catch a break. Marvel at the amazing SubaruxBeatrice team! Complete with a great tag-team of magic and Subaru even landing a hit on Regulus with his Invisible Hand! I mean, it didn't do any damage, but still! And now Sirius thinks he's Petelgeuse. So...I'm getting the sense Sirius' marriage to Petelgeuse was all in her head because she's so obsessed with him. Like, she was basically just his stalker who didn't pay her much mind and she took that to be him returning her affections. Though it also sounds like he "created" her? And now that Subaru has his Witch Factor, her affections have turned to him! Regulus talks about "love" but he didn't even know Emilia's name (so...did Pandora literally tell them ANYTHING or did he just not care?) and only cares about her face. What a charmer. This was all the Sin Archbishops' FREE TIME!? So NOW they're going to do what they actually came to Priestella to do? That also happens to include kidnapping Emilia to be "wed" to Regulus. Jeez. If you were wondering how things were going with Garfiel being reunited with his mom...a pretty mixed bag! I mean, he's got half-siblings he never knew about, his mom has completely forgotten about him (but she still seems to recollect his taste in tea), and it's not even her fault...her quest to find his and Frederica's father ended with her in an accident that gave her amnesia, and she just happened to find a man who helped save her and is so devoted to her as her husband. What can Garfiel even say to that? Even if he wants so much to be with his mom again. But at least he's got Mimi and her pure love for him to get him through this. Is that Aoi Yuki on the broadcast as the Sin Archbishop of Lust, Capella, calling people "meat sacks?" Okay, this'll be fun. Well, good news is that Beatrice was able to put her all into healing everybody before Als and Felis showed up to finish it up and keep everybody alive, but the bad news is Beatrice is out of commission and badly in need of mana. Good job, Beako. So the Witch's Cult is there to find Witch's remains? And they've taken over the town? The response team doesn't even know they're dealing with FOUR Archbishops yet. Garfiel is a good son. He hears his half-siblings are missing, his moms' new husband is in danger, and he commits to saving them. Skipped ED counter: 1 |
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tintor2
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Yeah. The first episode felt like Detective Conan due to the set up. I'm surprised Kenjiro Tsuda 's characters tend to have similar traits like a wasted middle aged while Akira Ishida is voicing probábly his most toxic character ever
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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An understandable frustration, but you'll be pleasantly surprised later I'm here to correct any notable mistranslations or errors in the subs, as despite being their biggest seasonal, Season 3 has been frustratingly rife with them so far There were a number of pretty egregious mistakes in the premiere that pretty dramatically changed the meaning of certain interactions or plot points, but those mistakes *were* corrected a few days later. The ones below, have not yet been. In Episode 2: - at 4:38, Subaru's name is used instead of "Lusbel". While some people thought this was intentional given Sirius' Authority and how Subaru and Lusbel's emotions were becoming intertwined, that is not the case. Sirius shouldn't even know Subaru's name -a bit of a two-fold mistake here, but at 20:18, when Emilia says "My eyes, my voice, and my sliver hair were all things the person I loved praised", it's actually supposed to be plural, the "people I loved". She's not just talking about Subaru, she's talking about her loved ones, namely Fortuna and the other inhabitants of Elior Forest. When in her next line, she talks about "being the same as the most amazing woman in the world", she is also talking about Fortuna, although the choice of wording in the subs obfuscates this. Basically, by insulting Emilia's physical traits, she's not just insulting her, she's insulting her mother too, and she takes offense to that. In Episode 3: - this first one is a little odd, because it's technically correct, but some people might say is not the most appropriate, it's the use of "waifu" at 6:00. There was already a lot of discourse around this, but what most people don't realize is that it's thematically accurate to the intent of the scene. What's happening in this exchange is that Regulus is using flowery language to describe Emilia as his "bride", and Subaru is turning it around, using rougher language in a much more flippant tone, as if to mock his pretentious way of speaking. So in that sense, "Emilia is my waifu" isn't *wrong*, but I would've gone with something like "Emilia is my girl" or something like that. - at 7:12, instead of "giving someone a name", it's actually "assuming someone's name". In essence, Regulus is suggesting that Sirius was not actually as romantically involved with Petelgeuse as she claims, and just took his family name without his permission. Her ramblings afterward only seem to confirm this |
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Daidan12
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"It's always interesting how the Archbishops (and the Witches, for that matter) don't directly match the stereotyped personality for their associated sins. Regulus' greed, for example, comes out in the form of extreme self-centeredness rather than a need to obtain everything he sets his eyes upon."
I think it does apply to the Witches but not for the Archbishops, Regulus is a greedy fudge in "I will get whatever I want in whatever form I want". He wants others to die when they wrong him, he wants other to please him when he wants to, he will kill whoever has something he wishes to possess. He's a perfect representation of greed, the stereotypical one comes with these implications too but maybe not as ruthless. |
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Albin0
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Can’t wait to see people’s reactions when they realize spoiler[Subaru doesn’t die again after the second episode for the remainder of this arc.]
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OrdepNM
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Specifically, the witches' sins materialize in ways that while flawed and "anti social" in ways that are hard to get along with others, aren't necessarily evil or evil-intentioned, like Echidna's Greed materializing as hoarding both knowledge and useless trivia alike, or Minerva Wrath making her the sworn enemy of injury and pain. The Archbishops are all about superficial virtue. Petelguese preached on and on about the virtues of diligence and how everyone not diligent deserved death, but had a truly slothful mind that lacked any thought of his own and simply followed whatever the gospel said to the letter. Sirius waxes poetically about love and being (superficially) nice to others (Thank you! And I'm sorry!) , but as we've seen she's quick to throw into a murderous frenzy. Likewise Regulus is all about being cordial, respectful and aware of the needs (and rights) of others... But he's actualy too self-centered to realize that should go both ways and it's not all about his rights and needs. |
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Thesarum
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Yeah. While Emilia ultimately is overwhelmed and damseled, she put in a pretty good showing, so I didn't mind it. She declared her intent to fight, and was a far better combatant than Subaru ever really manages to be. The test is probably in how long she remains Regulus' captive damsel. It'd be disappointing for that to be dragged out over the entire season, reduced to a largely off-screen motivation for Subaru and the others. She's never not going to be Subaru's primary motivation of course, she's been that since about 30 seconds after he arrived in this world, but I think she's earned the right to be so from the center.
"We made eye contact several times a day!" Maybe she was originally one of Petelgeuse's twisted expressions of "love" and has a bit of the ol' Stockholm Syndrome going on? The guy didn't have a solid grasp on what the word meant and seemed to mostly have it confused with "torture". |
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Daidan12
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Try to remember someone that already was in love with Betelgeuse and had Grey Hair. It's pure speculation but is the most tragic answer, and the author really loves tragedies. |
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jdnation
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Well, it's a good thing ep1 was movie length, because it would've made for a fairly boring amount of episodes running for around 3 weeks. But we finally got to the good part - Subaru living, dying, repeating.
That said, I do like all the new character dynamics and developments, and that ep1 likely got a lot of the setup out of the way. Delaying Oshi No Ko's finale for ep 1's length was worth the effort. |
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#aneonfoxtribute
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Yeah don't worry about Emilia being damseled. She still has agency.
And I shall come on here and be the dude who goes "I really recommend looking at the cut content from the light novel". There's some important stuff from previous seasons that were cut from the anime and will be relevant in this arc, and I have no idea how they're gonna manage it. Like downright required, there some stuff that will come out of nowhere this arc without this knowledge. There's also a couple things from the first few episodes of this arc that were cut or are likely to be cut (there's a major conversation about Capella that should be at the start of the next episode, but I guarantee they won't adapt it because they don't usually adapt deep lore stuff). There's also details on the witch's bones that should be evident at this point from prior arc stuff, but again the anime cut that so anime watchers don't know what it is. If anyone wants to know any specific LN things, I can help with that 
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yeehaw
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Good god these forums are hard to operate on mobile.
Great start so far! I’ve been rewatching the previous seasons and it’s nice to see Re:Zero actually look good for once! Hope it keeps it up (knock on wood). Im a bit iffy on Emilias new eyelashes though. Mimi and Garf are adorable and if anything happens to them I’ll cry.
Can we all agree to not do these kinds of spoiler comments?
No yome means bride but it’s also basically the japanese equivalent of the slang waifu so this translation makes perfect sense. Anyway as I said I’ve been rewatching and I have a game theory, obviously if you’ve read the books don’t comment anything about if I’m right or wrong and I’ll put it behind spoilers just to be sure spoiler[I think Sirius is Fortuna. They have the same hair, eyes and pussy-out fashion sense, she’s in love with Petel/Betelgeuse and accuses Emilia of stealing him, which she didn’t but something did happen when Geuse saw Emilia for the first time] |
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OrdepNM
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As the resident "book comparison guy" from last season, yeah, tough sadly I'll have to pass on the mantle since I'm so busy with life I haven't even watched episode 3. That said, this season isn't quite as lore heavy as the previous, so it should be overall a more straightforward experience. On the topic of previously cut content that will now be relevant (specially from season 1 that at some point was basically cutting anything that wouldn't be directly relevant to that season), the show's track record has mainly been to just sorta slide it in when necessary and hope no one notices it's actually new information that should have been previously covered and while we have a new director, I don't see that changing. Of course some omissions are bigger than others and some might need some Anime-only scenes to bridge over, but this season -by episode count- does have room to breath, so I'm not too worried. |
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Thesarum
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Yup yup. They're phpBB though. They date from an era before smartphones existed. I think they're maybe optimised for 56k modems. Gets my early 2000s nostalgia juices going through, they're kinda comfy this way.
Mimi is amazing. Up there as one of my favourite parts of the start of the season. |
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andramus
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I feel like this season Re:Zero might have crossed the threshold on something I've given it a pass for even justified in the past. That is Subaru's lack of inquiry into various matters. He's had an entire year to arm himself with knowledge he lacked when he first came to this world and yet he still seems terribly uninformed. For example not even having heard of the city of Priestella.
At the very least I feel like he should have familiarized himself with the geography of the world and the political history of Lugunica and it's neighbouring kingdoms. He should have spent at least an hour every evening reading whatever he could get his hands on to better educate himself. He is a knight for a woman aiming for the throne of the country whom he intends to support as best he can in that endeavour. I would think that acquainting himself with the laws, customs and history of the land would serve him well in that regard. I was a lot more forgiving of Subaru's lack of inquiry in seasons one and two for a number of reasons. When he first arrived in this world he knew absolutely nothing about it. He didn't even know what the right questions to ask were. When he arrived at the mansion he did start to make strides. He learnt to read as well as learning the skills needed to work as a servant in the mansion. He began to gradually build a picture of the world he now inhabited. We also learn in season one that when the Witch of Envy destroyed half the world (400 years ago - I think) the destruction and ensuing chaos lead to the loss of a lot of accumulated knowledge including detailed knowledge of history from before that time. In a video game you might be able to treat the NPCs as convenient sources of information who will answer any question you ask but in the world of Re:Zero Subaru doesn't have that luxury. People can and will refuse to answer his questions because they see Subaru as a nuisance, they have their own agenda or the subject matter Subaru wishes to ask about is a touchy one for them. One example of this is a bit of cut dialogue from the first episode of season three between Subaru and Emilia. Subaru talks about how they have defeated two of the three Great Mabeasts and goes on to say he hopes they don't run into the third one. When he brings up not wanting to run into the third Mabeast Emilia tenses up and frowns slightly but doesn't say anything. Subaru notices her reaction but doesn't pursue it because he doesn't want to dampen her mood any further. Unbeknownst to Subaru Emilia has actually ecountered the third Great Mabeast twice that we the audience know of. This is an example of the sort of interaction where I can forgive even justify Subaru not pursuing a line of inquiry. He probably assumes that Emilia is disturbed by the thought of running into the third Mabeast rather than her remembering her past encounters. It's a reasonable assumption and he has no reason to pursue the matter. Perhaps Emilia should have spoken up about her experiences but I expect they were so painful that she would prefer not to relive them. A lot of mysteries in Re:Zero ultimately come down to people being unwilling or unable to talk about things. Usually this is rooted in deep psychological issues. Much of Subaru's success is derived from him doing the work on himself as well has helping others work through their issues often turning them into allies as a result. Rem, Garfiel and Beatrice may be the three prime examples of this. This mostly works to explain why people don't or can't talk about things. However Subaru has had a year of relative peace and access to people who possess a great deal of knowledge such as Beatrice and Roswaal and still seems grossly uninformed about a number of matters. In season one Subaru made a point of learning about the magic system of the world and about spirits. Yet as far as I know he hasn't learned anything about Witch Factors such as what they are or how they work. As someone who now possesses the Sloth Witch Factor I would have thought he'd ask Roswaal or Beatrice about it. I suppose it might be a sensitive subject for Beatrice since she once had some kind of relationship with Petelgeuse. As for Roswaal he only vowed not to harm Emilia or her allies. So how much support or information he gives them is still up to Roswaal. If he feels that helping them would hurt his interests then he might very well choose not to do so. |
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#aneonfoxtribute
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I do agree that he should have learned more about the history and geography of the world, but I don't agree that the Witch Factors are something he can learn about so easily. The Witch Cult is a topic that I doubt many people have studied, and I'd be surprised if there was anyone on the planet who knew all of them that wasn't a Cultist themselves. Because most people who run into a Sin Archbishop end up dead. Very few people make it out of a conflict with the Cult alive, let alone people with a strong enough understanding of their opponent's ability to inform others about it. Most people only RECENTLY learned that Gluttony is the cause of the random people turning up comatose, or the random memory loss hits, or the random local crazy person raving about how everyone forgot them. I doubt that even Roswaal or Beatrice know anything about the Sin Archbishops powers. They most likely DO know something about the powers of the Witches of Sin, but the way they manifest is different depending on the individual so it wouldn't help them understand anything about the current Sin Archbishops. For instance, Minerva's power is "Punch people to heal them", which is NOTHING like Sirius' power to connect people's hearts, despite both of them having the Authority of Wrath. There is certainly an argument to be made for Subaru not brushing up on his history, though. You have two first hand sources of 400 years ago. You should know more about the three heroes and what happened with Satella. There is likely not a lot of information about what happened back then, but Subaru has two practical encyclopedia's of knowledge who just so happened to live at around the same time. |
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