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Covnam
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:48 pm
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50K does sound like a lot if the population is only 150K. I wonder if the author just pulled that number because of the Tokyo Dome or the real life Colosseum that is thought to have been in that range.
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GhostD
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:27 pm
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MFrontier wrote: | And yeah, this does feel more like Slime Diaries than the main show, but at least that makes all the meetings and transitions more interesting and fun compared to the first half. I can't help but think the author does better with world-building SoL than any attempt at doing a serious plot with stakes.
Nice to see some old friends you'd probably have forgotten unless you'd done a recent rewatch. |
I agree with this. For me Slime is at its most entertaining when its doing SoL and comedy related stuff rather than the serious arcs.
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Cryten
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:26 am
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I wonder about Ramiris just abandoning her duties as Queen of the spirits, guarding the intersection between the great spirits and the mortal realm in her dungeon. Yes she has always been a mostly joke character but she had a role before. Now she really does seem like a vagrant.
I also curious about wether the Lycanthropes would want to be all housed in a labyrnth surrounded by untamed and uncivilised monsters. Also feels a bit weird to setup a monster farming dungeon under a nation of civilised monsters. Its like your encouraging human heroes to see monsters as barbaric even while doing the whole civilization thing above. I suppose on the surface level its just a society doing the isekai free resources from a magical dungeon thing. It just becomes another layer of ignoring the logistics of tempest so the show would not be any different.
Could you imagine the tempest orcs eating orc meat burgers from resources from the dungeon?
Queenie seems like she would fit right in on the praise Rimuru squad over food and free trade.
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jr240483
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:50 am
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Cryten wrote: | I wonder about Ramiris just abandoning her duties as Queen of the spirits, guarding the intersection between the great spirits and the mortal realm in her dungeon. Yes she has always been a mostly joke character but she had a role before. Now she really does seem like a vagrant.
I also curious about wether the Lycanthropes would want to be all housed in a labyrnth surrounded by untamed and uncivilised monsters. Also feels a bit weird to setup a monster farming dungeon under a nation of civilised monsters. Its like your encouraging human heroes to see monsters as barbaric even while doing the whole civilization thing above. I suppose on the surface level its just a society doing the isekai free resources from a magical dungeon thing. It just becomes another layer of ignoring the logistics of tempest so the show would not be any different.
Could you imagine the tempest orcs eating orc meat burgers from resources from the dungeon? |
considering that the light novels sayd things differently regarding ramiris, its par fod the course!
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Then we get to see what Shuna is working on—and in the process get introduced to Yoshida, a chef who was also transported to this world from Japan.
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actually, the chief was also reincarnated too
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:53 pm
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Figures Gazel would take Rimuru's new Demon Lord status and power in stride. They are buddies after all!
Good to know for future reference that Treyni would probably rob a bank if Ramiris told her too, and Beretta is the only one with common sense in this trio. Thank goodness Rimuru found a way to keep Ramiris employed and enjoying herself before she caught a bigger mess.
Elmesia feels like a political leader you don't want to mess with though she really roasted Erald as both a father and political figure.
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GhostD
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:42 pm
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Quote: | I did some wiki browsing and am now super confused about the structure of Sarion's royal family—mainly in how everyone is related to Elmesia given her age and lineage. I think I need to see a family tree. |
Basically El is more than 2k years old. When she grew up she rounded up the Elven royal households that would eventually become the Thalion of today. Erald is her paternal uncle which makes Elyun/Ellen her first cousin. El's mom is also still alive and fairly powerful. Unfortunately not much is known about the other members of the elven royalty besides them
Quote: | Why does Erald hide his ears even within his kingdom and in front of his emperor? |
Erald is using one of Thalion's most prized products, a homunculus body. They use it by transferring their soul to it temporarily, taking control of it, and returning their souls to their true bodies once they're back home. Its used by high ranking nobles and royalty when they leave to go abroad as a security measure and they can choose to wear human homunculus bodies to hide the fact that they're elves from slavers. Like Ellen, Erald can also hide his elven ears using magic.
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Troyen
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:18 pm
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Just making sure I understand what's going on here.
This world has monsters, some of which are sentient (like the goblins, lizardkin, and wolves), some of which are either not sentient or unwilling to cooperate with anybody (like the antlions and regular slimes). Giving a monster a name gives them an immense power and intelligence upgrade, but many monsters are able to form civilizations of their own even without special names.
Rimuru's goal is to try and convince the world that humans and monsters can live together in peace. I'm assuming he means specifically monsters living in Tempest and not the primal uncooperative type. I'm not fully clear on his stance on monsters outside of his borders, since he did ultimately provide shelter for the beastkin refugees and orcs, but we haven't really seen a lot of other encounters that I recall.
To drum up interest in his city, Rimuru is now adding a lethal dungeon full of deadly traps. If you buy a one-off item, you can recover from death, though this seems to be an optional (potentially expensive) purchase rather than included in the price of admission.
Veldora's aura has a high enough magicule density that new monsters will spawn from it. These monsters are intended to battle adventurers. I'm assuming these are part of the unintelligent/primal type and the show won't explore what happens if you could create new goblin/ogre/etc. tribes and intelligent creatures just from exuding energy. That might get convoluted quickly if Rimuru could then name them all in an infinite army/subject generation cycle.
The visiting dignitaries are expected to be impressed by the dungeon and not horrified by detecting Veldora's unrestrained aura or the giant labyrinth of death traps and such hosted in the city. People will get excited and travel from all over to the city of monsters to challenge a labyrinth of monsters in battles to the death, and this will convince the world that Tempest's monsters are great people and you can live next door to them in peace. At least the monsters on the surface of Tempest, not the monsters in the dungeon.
I'm sure it'll work out fine in the anime, but this whole plan seems a bit convoluted and I'm not sure officially blessing monster killing as entertainment would normally cause people to treat monsters as equals.
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Cryten
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:52 pm
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Yep, thats my issue with the logic of it all as well. But I do not expect it to address such logic at all. It certainly has avoided logical assumptions in the past.
There isnt much to say otherwise about the show the last few weeks is there. Its all well and good, but it also doesnt have much there. Its taken the time to have all the planning conversations but none of the issues that would normally take place. Its happy go lucky and thats fine. What else do you say?
Ahh right, the redditors would say: Isnt it adorable how X character does Y thing.
Originally I thought the show would be about how monster societies in this world form and how the world works based on that. But that never happened after the lizards has 2 episodes about their society way back in season 1.
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GhostD
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:12 am
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Cryten wrote: | Yep, thats my issue with the logic of it all as well. But I do not expect it to address such logic at all. It certainly has avoided logical assumptions in the past.
There isnt much to say otherwise about the show the last few weeks is there. Its all well and good, but it also doesnt have much there. Its taken the time to have all the planning conversations but none of the issues that would normally take place. Its happy go lucky and thats fine. What else do you say?
Ahh right, the redditors would say: Isnt it adorable how X character does Y thing.
Originally I thought the show would be about how monster societies in this world form and how the world works based on that. But that never happened after the lizards has 2 episodes about their society way back in season 1. |
Unfortunately, Fuse wasn't one for forethought, which is ironic considering this series is explanation and exposition-heavy. As for the redditors Im used to them being like that for years now
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:54 am
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Troyen wrote: | I'm sure it'll work out fine in the anime, but this whole plan seems a bit convoluted and I'm not sure officially blessing monster killing as entertainment would normally cause people to treat monsters as equals. |
Cryten wrote: | Yep, thats my issue with the logic of it all as well. But I do not expect it to address such logic at all. It certainly has avoided logical assumptions in the past. |
Agree this is an issue if taken seriously, but yeah I don't think Slime will deal with that at all. It's more of a superficial Civilization simulator than a thoughtful reflection on sociology (or military tactics or politics, for all that it spends a ton of time talking about them, too). I gave up seasons ago expecting depth from it.
Having given up on that, I just wish it had some interest in the tension of combat (or... tension of, well, just about anything ). If nothing else, it's setup a really diverse set of powers---it would be cool to see them legitimately clash, without knowing Slime Kingdom will smash all comers easily.
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doomrider7
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:37 pm
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Troyen wrote: | Just making sure I understand what's going on here.
This world has monsters, some of which are sentient (like the goblins, lizardkin, and wolves), some of which are either not sentient or unwilling to cooperate with anybody (like the antlions and regular slimes). Giving a monster a name gives them an immense power and intelligence upgrade, but many monsters are able to form civilizations of their own even without special names.
Rimuru's goal is to try and convince the world that humans and monsters can live together in peace. I'm assuming he means specifically monsters living in Tempest and not the primal uncooperative type. I'm not fully clear on his stance on monsters outside of his borders, since he did ultimately provide shelter for the beastkin refugees and orcs, but we haven't really seen a lot of other encounters that I recall.
To drum up interest in his city, Rimuru is now adding a lethal dungeon full of deadly traps. If you buy a one-off item, you can recover from death, though this seems to be an optional (potentially expensive) purchase rather than included in the price of admission.
Veldora's aura has a high enough magicule density that new monsters will spawn from it. These monsters are intended to battle adventurers. I'm assuming these are part of the unintelligent/primal type and the show won't explore what happens if you could create new goblin/ogre/etc. tribes and intelligent creatures just from exuding energy. That might get convoluted quickly if Rimuru could then name them all in an infinite army/subject generation cycle.
The visiting dignitaries are expected to be impressed by the dungeon and not horrified by detecting Veldora's unrestrained aura or the giant labyrinth of death traps and such hosted in the city. People will get excited and travel from all over to the city of monsters to challenge a labyrinth of monsters in battles to the death, and this will convince the world that Tempest's monsters are great people and you can live next door to them in peace. At least the monsters on the surface of Tempest, not the monsters in the dungeon.
I'm sure it'll work out fine in the anime, but this whole plan seems a bit convoluted and I'm not sure officially blessing monster killing as entertainment would normally cause people to treat monsters as equals. |
People already KNOW that Veldora is down there since it's publicized that he's the Final Boss of the Labyrinth. The Labyrinth has a respawn mechanic where if you die down there, you just get respawned outside(can't recall if you keep your loot though) and the same basically applies to the monsters inside. It's designed with adventurers in mind and dignitaries can sponsor teams to raid the Labyrinth or place bets and and watch how it goes down. The ressurection bracelet essentially IS the price of admission. Not sure if it's been done yet, but he receives all of the local monster chiefs in an episode prior the Festival where they pay their respects.
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Cryten
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:35 am
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The anime didn't say that anyone that dies respawns, it said only those who form a pact with Ramiris respawn and that the braclet (that they will charge a large price on) gives a one off version of it. So that reflects differently to your book translation on what was presented to us.
Also nothing with monster cheifs yet, just a mention of capturing monsters in the forest and putting them inside, plus transplanting the refugees inside and using veldoras aura to spawn other monsters.
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doomrider7
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:16 am
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Cryten wrote: | The anime didn't say that anyone that dies respawns, it said only those who form a pact with Ramiris respawn and that the braclet (that they will charge a large price on) gives a one off version of it. So that reflects differently to your book translation on what was presented to us.
Also nothing with monster cheifs yet, just a mention of capturing monsters in the forest and putting them inside, plus transplanting the refugees inside and using veldoras aura to spawn other monsters. |
Like I said, the revival bracelet IS the price of admission. Could you do the Labyrinth without one? Sure, but from there it's your responsibility if anything happens and this is assuming they even let you in. No idea what the capturing monsters thing is since I don't remember it in either the manga or OG LN.
The respawning mechanic with Ramiris and anyone in the Labyrinth respawning are essentially the same thing as all of the monsters there are under her watch(namely the named ones and assorted training troops that get sent there). The Bracelet IS a one-off, but both of these lead back to what it's all about, finding the dead person. As I recall, Ramiris can revive anyone that dies in the Labyrinth, but with how large it is, finding them will be hard unless they've formed a pact with her or have the bracelets.
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Jabootu
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:40 am
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The reviewer opined:
Quote: | What they make is the most bog-standard, video game dungeon you can imagine. I mean, the thing even has checkpoints and a save point system. The traps within are classic RPG staples and Rimuru even goes out of his way to create boss rooms and populate the dungeon with treasure chests. |
Well, I mean, it's basically meant to be a tourist destination. Of course they'd design it to fulfill people's expectations of what a dungeon is. That's just good business. The dungeon will feature checkpoints and save points for the most obvious reason: You don't want to frustrate your customers.
And yes, it's all very convenient to assemble. However, this is Reincarnated as a Slime, not Re:Zero. 95% of the show has been on easy mode. That's a large part of it's appeal.
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GhostD
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:56 am
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Quote: | I would be terrified if I were a ruler visiting Tempest. Veldora and three Demon Lords are just hanging out there—and I expect that both Carion and Frey will be showing up as well (not to mention Hinata). Rimuru may not mean this festival as a show of strength but that is certainly what it is. |
I see you figured it out pretty quickly
Quote: | So if Veldora's miasma is what causes the monsters to appear in the dungeon—with stronger monsters spawning closer to him—how are they planning to choose and distribute the boss monsters for each area? I think the logistics of managing the dungeon are going to be way more than Ramiris expects. |
This'll be solved soon enough
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