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Joined: 03 Nov 2003
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Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley)
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:22 pm
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Wow, what a mess. I attended this convention a couple of times in the 2000s and might have gone this year if I had remembered that it was this weekend. Now I'm glad I forgot.
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SinisterOracle
Joined: 13 May 2023
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:33 pm
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It sounds to me like Melissa Phelps messed up repeatedly, as did plenty of others who were in positions of authority. This whole thing should be shut down until an independent investigation can be conducted, including financial audits of all previous years. If someone has been accused of financial malfeasance, then that’s the only way to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Kind of surprising the state would grant a non-profit status without these things. Hopefully sponsors and donors will ask the crucial questions and decide for themselves if it’s worth the risk. I hope the volunteers will ask this as well. No point working for someone who will abuse you mentally, emotionally or physically. Life is too short for that bs.
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The_Outsider
Joined: 09 Sep 2021
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:27 pm
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Why was their original logo a red cross anyway? And why was one of the concepts for the new logo an ECG line, like what is the connection here?
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PatrickD
Joined: 03 Dec 2003
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Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:44 pm
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The_Outsider wrote: | Why was their original logo a red cross anyway? And why was one of the concepts for the new logo an ECG line, like what is the connection here? |
Yeah, I really don't understand why they insist on having some sort of medical connection to their branding. Is it because someone decided the mascot should be dressed as a nurse and they don't want to dress her differently?
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Tanteikingdomkey
Joined: 03 Sep 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm
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........soooooo as someone who has worked as a vendor at this con, and is familiar with clique toxic behind the scenes enviroment......
WTF happened here. can we get a tldr please, because is longer then all the vic articles when his (do not derail this please and just leave it at this) highly likely bad behavior came to light.
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PseudoFiction
Joined: 22 Feb 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:56 pm
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PatrickD wrote: |
The_Outsider wrote: | Why was their original logo a red cross anyway? And why was one of the concepts for the new logo an ECG line, like what is the connection here? |
Yeah, I really don't understand why they insist on having some sort of medical connection to their branding. Is it because someone decided the mascot should be dressed as a nurse and they don't want to dress her differently? |
I'd guess it is due to Ohio being roughly shaped like a heart. And a state slogan is "Ohio - the heart of it all".
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Gem-Bug
Joined: 10 Nov 2018
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:02 pm
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Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | ........soooooo as someone who has worked as a vendor at this con, and is familiar with clique toxic behind the scenes enviroment......
WTF happened here. can we get a tldr please, because is longer then all the vic articles when his (do not derail this please and just leave it at this) highly likely bad behavior came to light. |
"Please don't derail this" followed by "Highly likely bad behavior". Good bait.
But yeah, a tldr might be good. I was reading for like 10 minutes while at work and didn't even realize I was only 1/5 of the way through.
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Takkun4343
Joined: 19 Jul 2007
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Location: Englewood, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:14 pm
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I was planning on going this year with my sister, but she notified me months ahead of time about the boycott, which she was partaking in, so I nixed those plans. Guess Matsuricon '24 will have to do...
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Tenbyakugon
Joined: 11 Jan 2012
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Location: Ohio, United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:42 pm
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Can I get a TL;DR? Because it really is and especially when the headline is just that people are protesting.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Joined: 02 May 2011
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:56 pm
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Can everyone take a moment and consider how much work went into this only for comments to be along the lines of "digest this for me." If this is a topic you care about, set aside time to read what happened and the necessary context to understand it. Bookmark for later. Or don't read it.
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SanguineSeagull
Joined: 19 Jan 2024
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:34 pm
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Unfortunately I'm with the others on tldr.
Not only because it is long but because it is written more like gossip than a (anime) news article. The discord screenshots and the "he said she said" make for a very confusing read, and sentences like "...or, after a process that was exactly that—a process..." feel like editorializing, at best.
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Joe Mello
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:24 pm
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PatrickD wrote: |
The_Outsider wrote: | Why was their original logo a red cross anyway? And why was one of the concepts for the new logo an ECG line, like what is the connection here? |
Yeah, I really don't understand why they insist on having some sort of medical connection to their branding. Is it because someone decided the mascot should be dressed as a nurse and they don't want to dress her differently? |
IIRC, Ohaycon's tagline had been something along the lines of "the cure for the anime winter blues" so that's the identity they built and they didn't want to lose all of their brand identity at once.
Quote: | This whole thing should be shut down until an independent investigation can be conducted, including financial audits of all previous years. If someone has been accused of financial malfeasance, then that’s the only way to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Kind of surprising the state would grant a non-profit status without these things. Hopefully sponsors and donors will ask the crucial questions and decide for themselves if it’s worth the risk. |
It's lovely that you think fancons are run similarly to more conventional types of businesses and organizations when in reality, only a couple of them are truly have something resembling a business-based culture.
And I think that's the heart of the matter: a bunch of non-professional people got put in positions where professionals normally would be, lacked the skills or mental acumen to succeed in those positions, and the fallout would be funny if it wasn't so enraging. While I'm usually for being anti-management just on principle, COVEN was formed either in bad faith or on misguided principles. The convention isn't going to bring them back, there's no legal options, and just the act of leaving was going to cripple them anyway (the number of conventions with too much staff is 0). Columbus is notorious for shows created by ex-staffers and disgruntled attendees; why couldn't they do that? All this is going to do is kill the local scene and end up hurting other shows throughout the industry who get affected by the stupid.
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Zimmer
Joined: 08 Jul 2015
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:06 pm
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: | Can everyone take a moment and consider how much work went into this only for comments to be along the lines of "digest this for me." If this is a topic you care about, set aside time to read what happened and the necessary context to understand it. Bookmark for later. Or don't read it. |
Understanding the gist makes it easier to digest the whole.
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psipsy
Joined: 01 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:11 pm
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Back in my day when we didn't like how a convention was run, we just didn't go to it and would start another one out of spite.
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redlegsfan21
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:10 pm
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The TLDR is that the senior leadership amongst the volunteers didn't like the fact that a "non-profit" (quotes because it's not a registered non-profit) was created to take control of Ohayocon. The owners are mad because the volunteers changed the logo without permission. What follows are a bunch of accusations about lack of communication.
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