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NEWS: Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance Animation's 2nd Teaser Announces Netflix Global Debut




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LinkTSwordmaster



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:25 pm Reply with quote
I like the autumn color scheme that seems to be peppered throughout the trailer, though I worry it doesn't look as instantly-recognisable as Gundam stuff tends to when the mobile suits aren't in focus. I want this to be good, the Doan's Island movie was a fun watch. I think classic UC Gundam's best stories were about the civilians affected by the war so I'm a little cautious seeing a really heavy military lean in this trailer. It's giving more Front Mission vibes than Gundam vibes so far.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:40 pm Reply with quote
LinkTSwordmaster wrote:
I like the autumn color scheme that seems to be peppered throughout the trailer, though I worry it doesn't look as instantly-recognisable as Gundam stuff tends to when the mobile suits aren't in focus. I want this to be good, the Doan's Island movie was a fun watch. I think classic UC Gundam's best stories were about the civilians affected by the war so I'm a little cautious seeing a really heavy military lean in this trailer. It's giving more Front Mission vibes than Gundam vibes so far.


Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.
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Gezzas



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:20 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.


What's up with the civilian side of Gundam? Is that like Build Fighters? From what I know, most of the mainline and alternative universe Gundams are all about the military and war. Am I missing out on a different side of the Gundam?
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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Gezzas wrote:
Hoppy800 wrote:
Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.


What's up with the civilian side of Gundam? Is that like Build Fighters? From what I know, most of the mainline and alternative universe Gundams are all about the military and war. Am I missing out on a different side of the Gundam?

They're about war, but a key point of Tomino Gundam is that the protagonists are kids who have been roped into it; most of the White Base was civilians who the EFF used in the war because they had the special secret weapon mobile suits. ZZ in particular is about a group of kids who consistently participate in combat for personal reasons rather than buckling to any grand ideology.

Contrast that to later OVAs by other directors like Stardust Memory, 08th MS Team, Thunderbolt and MS Igloo (as well as many, many manga and games) and you'll find that they largely star... officially conscripted soldiers in the military.

Doesn't make them automatically bad, but it is getting away from the point of Gundam I think, which is why many western fans have a sense that Gundam is just about "war is bad" insteaad of more specific themes.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:47 pm Reply with quote
Gezzas wrote:
Hoppy800 wrote:
Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.


What's up with the civilian side of Gundam? Is that like Build Fighters? From what I know, most of the mainline and alternative universe Gundams are all about the military and war. Am I missing out on a different side of the Gundam?


It's not so much "civilian". The only real examples I can think of in terms of that are 0080 and MAYBE unicorn? Really the usual western sentiment is less newtypes, more military "realism". The director of the future Gundam LA is a huge fan of 8th ms, which is very popular with western fans due to its realities "realism".
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:06 pm Reply with quote
I always want to keep an open mind for any new projects that come along like this.

Admittedly, though, the look and tone of this so far seems to confirm it's what it looked like from the start: Gundam fans getting to make what they decided was the best Gundam 20 years ago - gritty military stuff about totally normal soldiers who die to show that war is hell (which is totally cool!!!)

Rather judgmental of me this early on, I have to remind myself, so again, open mind.
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MrPuzzles



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:22 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.


I....can't think of a single "civilian side" story in the One Year War. ...At all. Unless I seriously missed something.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:52 pm Reply with quote
MrPuzzles wrote:
Hoppy800 wrote:
Unfortunately, those stories aren't the most well liked or even known by western audiences and this miniseries is very much for the western audience, who likes the military side of Gundam more than the civilian side.


I....can't think of a single "civilian side" story in the One Year War. ...At all. Unless I seriously missed something.

War in the pocket could be since Al was just a boy who got roped into it all.
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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:30 pm Reply with quote
MrPuzzles wrote:
I....can't think of a single "civilian side" story in the One Year War. ...At all. Unless I seriously missed something.

They didn't say anything about the OYW, and also I already made a post explaining this. Amuro (in 0079), Kamille, Judau, Uso, Hathaway were all civilians who ended up working with some people who were technically in the military due to circumstance. I'm not sure why this is so confusing to people, the characters all regularly rant onscreen about how they hate the shitty adults who created the war that's affecting them. You aren't supposed to align the protagonists with the military, even if they end up on the same side of a physical battle like in 0079. It's not a show about the great epic battle between the Federation and Zeon, it's a show about the White Base.
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BlueAlf



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:19 pm Reply with quote
So this series take place around a month or two before the final battle in the original series. At this point, where was the White Base again?

Man, I'm not into the character designs. OTOH the environmental and mech designs seems to have gotten so much love even if the Gundam looks weird.


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Covnam



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:35 pm Reply with quote
I'm surprised that this is UE5.

I'll wait for reviews, but it should be interesting to see how they portray Zeon since this seems to be from their perspective
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 am Reply with quote
Another Gundam entry on Netflix.

Kind of giving me Thunderbolt vibes. They do love their Zeon protagonists.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:15 pm Reply with quote
This feels like something made because the production on the Gundam movie went south (presumably because Vaughan’s script sounds terrible) and because Hathaway got delayed something fierce, which as we all know must be finished before anyone entertains just animating Crossbone Gundam.

It’d another OYW side story. That’s all that can really be said.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:39 pm Reply with quote
Beatdigga wrote:
This feels like something made because the production on the Gundam movie went south (presumably because Vaughan’s script sounds terrible) and because Hathaway got delayed something fierce, which as we all know must be finished before anyone entertains just animating Crossbone Gundam.

It’d another OYW side story. That’s all that can really be said.


The live-action movie didn't "go south." Producer Ogata just commented on it in the latest Bandai report (translation if needed for proof). Whatever you've "heard" about Vaughan's supposed "script" or "details" from it are patently false. Nothing that has been mentioned about the film has been anything other than a bunch of loose ideas and nothing concrete.

You act like a bloody pandemic didn't exist and severely impact production schedules.
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SquirrelSurrender



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:19 pm Reply with quote
Ah yes, another westernized Gundam that propagandizes war and misses the entire point of the franchise. Lovely.
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