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Blanchimont
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So wholeheartedly agree.
Furries might want to tread carefully in South Korea. 
...I jest. But I do wonder what it would say about my collection of 'racy' anime-style dakimakura, of the 'type' that would surely toss me behind bars directly upon discovery were I an unfortunate resident of UK/Australia/Canada? At least I can console myself I don't have rabid k-pop fans after me... |
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Gnarth
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We need more fiction like Made in Abyss. More authors willing to push boundaries and put all of themselves in their work, regardless of what people would think. Art needs to be uncomfortable and off-putting, it has to challenge, shake and impact the audience and it should represent the diversity of the multitude of artists and people around the world.
This sentiment that calls for censhorship and suppression of all things weird and defiant in favor of close-minded and oppressive "safespaces" has always been a plague, whether it's the result of theocracies, totalitarian regimes or any other misguided mission to "clean" the world that's emerged in recent times. |
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garfield15
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This whole thing is so funny because, like, it doesn't involve the anime community at all. Regular fans are on the sidelines either laughing or like "MiA was trending for this nonsense"?
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chrisb
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It’s weird how young stans are starting to look as paranoid as their parents/grandparents during the Satanic worship panic of the 80s and 90s. I am not anti-trigger warning but I have to roll my eyes every time I see a “CW: every trigger under the sun” Twitter post. It is not warranted like 99% of the time. Is media literacy not a thing any more??
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Joe Mello
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I think there's a series of intertwined issues at play. Trying to be as apolitical and/or amoral as possible, they seem to be:
1) Children are still taught simplistic viewpoints about the world that don't correlate to the actual world 2) Human expression, especially wrt self-identification and/or self-determination continues to rapidly evolve while many people's views do not 3) The ability to self-curate on the internet combined with The Algorithm can easily create sanitized spaces that are absent of any outside influence or critique 4) The reason for things being always get lost to time, so new generations will always lack an understanding of what came before them 5) There has been so much that has happened just within a generation that it's probably quite hard to fully grasp what is not right in front of you 6) In just one generation, we've gone from nerds and otaku being an ostracized, countercultural group to being part of the mainstream and the former doesn't know how to communicate with the latter I definitely have a more political/morality-based summation that's a bit more concise, but it still doesn't mean there's more going on than just Kids These Days |
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light turner
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From what I've always read, pornography is banned in Korea, so the accusation that you may be partaking in the consumption of something pornographic has a lot of social and criminal consequences with them which is why these accusations are made or taken so "seriously". I suppose if people view Made in Abyss as pornographic or degenerate then associating with it is a problem, especially if you're a popular figure like a K-Pop artist who already has a lot of scrutiny. I know currently a lot of Korean artists are being doxxed and reported to the police because of the stuff they draw and people trying to get them into trouble and some of them nuked their entire internet presence as a result.
I wouldn't say it's directly related since they're different cultures and motivations, but apparently there's also a lot of puritan mindsets in younger generations Americans as well with all the "Gen Z wants less sex scenes in media" headlines I see pop up. Censorship and restrictions and moral policing is becoming more common here as well. Anime fans are kind of used to it, though. I remember the comments from naysayers 10 years ago who accused you of having a deep-seated hatred of women if you liked shows like Cross Ange and Mahouka. Even liking something like Sword Art Online got you accused of some bad things back then, while today that sentiment seems to mostly have faded out in favor of other stuff like Shield Hero or Mushoku Tensei. |
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Jc48054
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Oh God I can imagine that we are going to get a another big controversy with made in abyss in the future when that made in abyss western live action movie released.
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave
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One thing that makes it weirder for me, isn't K-pop known for being pretty abusive business to its young talents, from what I've heard maybe even more than current Japanese idol industry? How are those fans calling anyone out on their interests?
Then again, if it's actually something more like that case from many years ago, of Japanese idol being forced to shave her hair and apologize publicly for smoking and having a tryst with boyfriend, except dressed in "language of social justice" and "punishing pedophilia", it makes sense to me why this blew up so much in K-pop fandom. They can't allow their idols to read and enjoy such impure manga, it's just like enjoying smoking or consensual sex with partner, they were supposed to be pure and hot! Also to add to light turner's post, S Korea is indeed quite censorious, I remember reading darker manhwa and being momentary taken out by knives being all pixelated, sexual censorship also seems to be even worse than in Japan, even though half women in manhwa I've seen have the same super leggy body with the miniest mini skirt. |
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OrdepNM
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We're closer to that than you might think. I play Project Sekai (popular mobile rhythm game), whose online community is literred with zoomers, and the amount as times I've seen 14 and 15 y-os express indignation on how the game has such awful and innapropriate things as... Lyrics containing sexual innuendo... Just feels like time going back. We've somehow went from kids hiding dirty mags under the bed to pearl clutching and trying to cancel eachother for liking songs with lyrics like "I want to forget time and indulge with you, we mix together like a cocktail" or "Stain my entirety with that overflowing fluid" because that's basically distributing sexual material to minors or something. Maybe they'll grow out of it, but if not, my respects for the generation they one day be raising, it's gonna be awful. |
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MarshalBanana
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fathomlessblue
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People have already said it already, but it's depressing that in immature, ignorant or overly zealous hands the progressivism of today can look indistinguishable from the conservative parental moral panic of the 1980/90's.
Made in Abyss is a pretty fucked up show with some pretty uncomfortable depictions re: its treatment towards children. Does much of that deliberately tie into its position in the psycho-sexual horror genre, in addition to being representative of several major themes? Yes. Is that an excuse or hand-wave towards the author's leering fixation on child bodies? Not really, no. As with a lot of art, two seemingly contradictory things can exist at the same time, & unpacking those ideas is what gives it meaning. I'm fine with people falling down whatever side they want, so long as they have the discussion & consider every angle. However, if you just want to deliberately cherry-pick details to frame the work out of context in order demonize it, & ultimately the artist, I can only conclude that at best you lack the emotional intelligence to engage with art meaningfully, & at worst you're a toxic person hiding behind morality in an attempt at maliciously drawing blood. In either case I'm not going to take you seriously & will most likely block you on site. As for Haruko Ichikawa, that lady has a lot of fascinations, not least physical distortions & blemishes. If Saegusa-sensei is anything to go by, I'm kinda glad she was stuck working on a story with non-flesh beings. It certainly makes the body horror aspects a lot more palpable. |
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Yuvelir
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I want to frame that quote
I had forgotten all about that detail! Since it's so irrelevant and inconsistent with the style. It's a shame that a random genre reference can become a breaking point. |
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Gem-Bug
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You both sound like you're from the recent "Comedians aren't allowed to tell jokes anymore" school of thought. 
Author fetishes aside, MiA is a favorite series of mine, and I don't have any real issue with the series itself. However, the author's tendency to fill the physical volumes with extra nude shots and art of its young cast is why I don't have any on my shelf. The anime is a bit easier to recommend to others. |
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AsleepBySunset
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it's kind of funny how when it comes to the nickelodeon foot fetish sitcom guy, everyone gets to criticise him, sure your allowed to like his work, but the guys a pervert and if you watch sitcoms for barefeet scenes, you're a pervert too... but when it comes to anime, noone is allowed to comment on creators obviously slipping in their fetishes.
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juaifan
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Are you comparing a guy who possibly exploited actual real life child actors to a guy who simply draws stuff? |
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