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Richmyster84
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He played Dick Grayson's father, John Grayson, in The Batman. He played "Batman of Zur-En-Arrh" in Batman: The Brave and the Bold. He even played Batman in Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? He played Batman in 17 different video games. My point stands that you used probably the worst example of an American VA maintaining a voice over legacy for a character or related property. Not sure why you're making a "not for all roles" absolute statement? The only absolutes are that there's an absolute exception to them.
That was a scheduling conflict if memory serves me correctly and he came back for 4 movies playing Superman. As for Transformers, you name the two VAs anyone can remember by name as your example? People made a stink about the Rooster Teeth Transformers series not using them but especially not bringing back the original Beast Wars cast. (The recast Beast Wars Megatron was so god awful btw) People also weren't happy when Cartoon Network recast the Powerpuff Girls. These show that America does care. |
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BH0
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Every time an American anime voice actor that preaches about racial equity is confronted by this, they and/or their circle of followers/friends start doing mental gymnastics to justify not giving up their roles because they subconsciously see the Japanese as honorary aryans. Last edited by BH0 on Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Philmister978
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Canada's mostly just doing prelay work these days. Occasionally you'll get an anime title like Yashahime or World Trigger for the Vancouver pool or Bakugan for Toronto's. But by and large it's stuff made explicitly for the US or Canada.
Newbern and Daly alternate and arguably Daly's done the role as often, if not more than Newbern has. And keep in mind, they're far from the only actor, voice or on-camera, to have played the role to begin with. Transformers is a different beast outright because even the recasts do have their fans most of the time (I know the WFC trilogy had massive backlash because they went non-union from both fans and voice actors alike. Even the Canadian actors like Garry Chalk weren't happy about it, not just Peter and Frank). I've seen just as many people complain about Peter still being Optimus for as long as he has. And again, the franchise is home to dozens of variations when it comes to who's being voiced by whom. So it's not just Optimus or Megatron, but also Starscream, Shockwave, Ultra Magnus, Jazz, Bumblebee (whenever he's voiced, that is), Grimlock, even more obscure characters like Sky-Byte or Lockdown have multiple actors to them where the recasts and original voices are highly debated upon. Last edited by Philmister978 on Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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KitKat1721
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Appearing incompetent is better than the alternatives. This joking response from a couple days ago sure feels even more appropriate now though lol - https://twitter.com/benaphil/status/1716285235715862940 |
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Mr. Toto
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We are NOT about to do this revisionist history with Bleach here. You’re saying Yoruichi isn’t BLACK? Would you say the same thing about Tousen Kaname or are you just here to troll? ![]() Racists reveal themselves more with every word that comes out of their mouths. Wendee Lee can’t act and she was a total child with this controversy. I won’t be supporting anything this studio dubs in the future. |
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residentgrigo
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Why is there always so much drama around US anime dubs? Will that side of the industry ever evolve?
My hot take on recasts: I am a POC and theoretically like it when the casting reflects that but consistency needs to come first. If the new appearance uses old canon and the original actor is available and can still "do the voice" then try your best to get them. If that isn´t possible then get a voicealike. Tim Daly (Superman TAS and last used in 2012) and George Newbern (JL/JLU and last used in 2022) are perfect examples of that. Good luck spotting who did what without further info. D. C. Douglas did that when he first voiced Wesker by aping Richard Waugh in Umbrella Chronicles. Douglas officially became the "new voice" in RE5 and then pushed the acting in a new direction leading to a neat gradual shift. He wasn´t to last either but the guy in RE 4R is quite good too. Sounds like no version before him but it´s too late to fix Capcom's revolving door of voices so shrug. The Japanese VAs for RE have been fully stable since those dubs started in 2012 on the 3DS of all things and are like 98% stable into 2023. Surprising no one here. Japanese dubs are built differently. |
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malvarez1
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Nope, nope, we’re not doing this. If you think she’s an abhorrent person, that’s fine, but let’s not pretend this suddenly makes her a bad actress. That’s stupid. |
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Mr. Toto
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I’m entitled to my own opinion. Her range stops at “Faye Valentine.”
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residentgrigo
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I know exactly one example from the top of my head where the old actor "got the job back" and then re-recorded the already released previous lines of the new actor. LeChuck in Monkey Island 5. Earl Boen not only finished out the role as you can see but also redid the lines by Adam Harrington in EP 1. A good choice if you ask me. That happened in late 2009 and 2010. The artist formerly known as Twitter was already a thing. Bleach is now my 2nd go-to example but the circumstances here are more... interesting for sure.
PS: Lee isn´t just a VA, she is also an ADR director. Objectively a pro by the standards of US anime dubs. I plead the 5th on anything else. |
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FeelMyBlade
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That's not what revisionist history is. You have to agree on something or present an undisputed fact before someone can try to revise it. The burden of proof should be on person making a claim, not the other side to disprove it. Occam's Razor would have us assume Yoruichi is Japanese just like every other character in the show unless otherwise stated, which Kubo has had no issues doing so in the past such as we've seen with Sado. The alternative is to assume Kubo simply forgot to mention Yoruichi is also mixed race or a foreigner. But given the characters name, and her entire power-set being based off the raijin, the safest bet is to assume she's Japanese just like Rukia, Byakuya, and all the other characters no one ever questions the ethnicity of. Nor do people seem to mind Rukia being voiced by Michelle Ruff, or any of the other Japanese characters being voiced by non-Japanese actors. The only argument people have about Yoruichi being Black is she has a darker skin color than the other characters, but Black people do not have a monopoly on that. That's just as much evidence to suggest she's South Asian. Indian, Polynesian, or any of the other ethnicity that can have dark skin, which includes plenty of other Asian groups as well if one wants to keep the character within the Asian territories. I assume it's the same reason why you see people assume anime characters are white or look white: ethnocentrism. As most of this discussion happens in America people often only look at things from an American perspective where racial issues are primarily dominated by White/Black talking points, leaving alternative views and arguments to be overshadowed. Perhaps in the Hindi anime fandom you'll find many people saying Yoruichi must be Indian, since that would be more relevant to them. Perhaps those in the Pacific Islands would think she's Polynesian. Those arguments have the same amount of weight as the one being presented by those saying she's Black. |
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Mr. Toto
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I’ll stop you there. The “revisionist history” comes from a certain segment of the fandom that suddenly want to act like Yoruichi isn’t black — even though the discourse has been commonly agreed upon for nearly two decades. Are you saying that Tousen is Japanese? Komamura? Nimaiya Oetsu? Rabu Aikawa? Do any of these characters look phenotypically Japanese? One is a literal wolf. Maybe you haven’t realized this, but Bleach characters don’t actually have names Japanese people would have in real life. Their names are chosen to allude their character traits or abilities… just like in My Hero Academia (or Marvel heroes). The same is true in Burn The Witch.
This is a ridiculous, fallacious argument and only is ever made by arrogant Westerners who assume that they understand Japanese culture. The Hollows are based off the Buddhist concept of Preta in Samsara. They have Hispanic names combined with that of famous architects and designers. Does that mean that the Hollows are all Latino (Zommari included)? Or are they Indian because they’ve been derived from a religious concept from India? Bleach has ALWAYS been multiracial and this argument insisting that all characters with Japanese names are racially Japanese is one of the most foolish things I’ve heard spoken about the series.
The voice acting industry in the USA is predominately run by White Americans. It is only recently when roles for other ethnicities have become more prevalent in the industry — just look at the casts of series dubbed 20+ years ago. Bleach being multi-ethnic means that Rukia isn’t necessarily Japanese. She COULD be, but keep in mind that Kubo romanized her name as Rukia Rotwood in the first volume.
I can understand the argument that she might be Indian, but let’s be intellectually honest and note that Yoruichi’s skin tone is darker than that of South Asian or Polynesian people. Let’s also recognize that those who complain about her being Black tend to be driven by their own prejudices, as is apparent and common in these fandoms. |
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RenRen94
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Studiopolis screwed up badly, and Wendee Lee made it 1000% worse with her trashy Twitter tirade. I feel bad for Anairis.
Also found this interesting post from Wendee Lee in 2021. She called Yoruichi a woman of color, and proceeded to use the Black Anime History Month hashtag. https://nitter.net/TheRedUsagiVO/status/1716204248479027474#m |
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Errinundra
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Mr. Toto & FeelMyBlade, your conversation can stop there. You're derailing the thread.
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kotomikun
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Kind of a rhetorical question, I know, but: dubbed anime is the more "mainstream" side of things, people (especially the younger, more-online crowd) have an extreme interest in voice actors far above anyone else involved in production, and actors are part-time publicists who spend a lot of time on social media. It's a perfect setup for hot scandals, so it's no surprise how frequently it happens. And this particular one is like sitcom levels of awkward... seemingly hiring a matching POC actor only to reveal it was a mistake and kicking them out? Is this an attempt at viral marketing, or what? Drama about actors and the public's obsession with it is a tale as old as time, so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. At least, not unless they find a way to replace them all with AI, and then we can all be mad about that instead. |
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prime_pm
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Times like this I'm glad I bailed from the Bleach fandom so long ago.
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