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Yttrbio
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 Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:03 am
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On Steam they're saying that their post was sensationalized, and they're not deleting the game. I'm not sure how reporting "the thing we literally said" is sensationalizing it, but whatevs.
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light turner
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 4:41 am
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| Stelman257 wrote: | | She introduces herself as a "Junior" at University, not high school. They actually aged her up a year from the Japanese version hahaha. |
Oh, college! That makes way more sense then. My mistake!
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LuScr
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:18 pm
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The really insane thing about what Unity is pulling is that they're applying it retroactively.
You can't get away from this by simply not using Unity anymore, and switching to another engine for future games. If you've made games with Unity in the past, those games are going to be subject to this new pricing scheme, and you're going to be on the hook for those costs.
This is going to bankrupt some smaller developers. It's an absolute travesty.
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Cryten
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:30 am
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Depends what you mean by retroactive as charges where stated to be based on the current years installs.
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Joe Mello
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:58 am
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| Cryten wrote: | | Depends what you mean by retroactive as charges where stated to be based on the current years installs. |
IIRC the benchmarks are retroactive and they are lifetime benchmarks. Even if they weren't, you could have a situation like how Among Us wasn't popular until well after it was published. If you suddenly have a hit game that was made in Unity, you're going to be charged for it effectively forever.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:14 am
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| Joe Mello wrote: |
| Cryten wrote: | | Depends what you mean by retroactive as charges where stated to be based on the current years installs. |
IIRC the benchmarks are retroactive and they are lifetime benchmarks. Even if they weren't, you could have a situation like how Among Us wasn't popular until well after it was published. If you suddenly have a hit game that was made in Unity, you're going to be charged for it effectively forever. |
I haven't spent a ton of time researching it (and haven't even looked at the Unity FAQ), but I thought this was a pretty clear explanation:
While installs made before January 1, 2024, will not incur any per-install fees, those previous installs will be used to help calculate whether a game meets the applicable "lifetime installs" threshold, according to Unity's FAQ.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/09/game-developers-unite-against-unitys-new-per-install-pricing-structure/
i.e., it seems like you won't be directly charged for historical installs, but they will contribute to determining what pricing tier you're in. Mm, also presumably new installs count, even if they're new installs of old games released at a time when Unity's TOS were different.
Really, really hope this leads to a mass exodus to other game engines (especially Godot! They even announced a Godot development fund, in the middle of this Unity debacle!). Hopefully Unity goes completely under (and, truly pie-in-the-sky, maybe ends up selling their source code to some group with stronger roots in developer communities, and much weaker roots in MBA ones).
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Top Gun
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:46 am
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I can't see how any part of that retroactive bullshit holds up under legal scrutiny. And you can bet your ass there are going to be plenty of lawsuits flying over this.
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Nate148
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:00 pm
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FYI only daytona one got the SRC thing 2 did not till now
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sadoldguy
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:36 am
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The need for Unity to make a LOT more money roughly coincides with the company going public. Shareholders tend to prefer continuous growth in share value.
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djl33
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:49 pm
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| Quote: | | ...if you wanted a self-congratulatory AAA game, Starfield is right over there, man. |
What is that supposed to mean?
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Nate148
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:13 am
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