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Allison Addams
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I always felt like Anno only sees the logic in things he wants to do with his work and not thinking much about how they are presented. The dude really needs an editor to reign his ideas in because he is not the strongest writer.
Trying to force a film narrative into a television format isn't going to work well because they are two different mediums. The goal of an adaptation should be to take advantage of the new medium its being translated to. His logic is that its a love letter to the original being TV, but the execution is a film with wonky pacing because a 2 hour movie obviously isn't a TV series. I had similar issues with Shin Godzilla, but I'd get carried away going on a tangent about my issues with that film when it's not the topic. I'm trying not to be continuously hard on Anno just because I kinda hate Evangelion, but the man's work really keeps doing the same things I have issues with. The dude is like Kojima in a way. A somewhat pretentious, arguably self-absorbed writer whose work is visibly very auteur-driven, but also lacking in the writing department. The main difference for me though, and why I still kinda love stuff like the Metal Gear Solid series is because Kojima's ideas can come off as so wild and goofy that it becomes charming. Anno's stuff can just come off as annoying and too self-serious. But I'll just stop it here. I was hoping for better with this film because I do enjoy tokusatsu stuff. |
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Beatdigga
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Shin Ultraman also used the episodic format on its film, which I think is just another extension of Anno’s reverence tor the material. He was presented the material this way, so he wants others to be presented the material in the same way.
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ximpalullaorg
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I'd like more details on the directorial style of this movie, because I saw the opening part of the movie (around 2 minutes) posted by Toei and I'm a bit worried now.
The action scene shown has a lot of cuts (that's Anno's style for sure) but the problem I have with it is that it's difficult to understand what's going on. Is the entire movie shot like that? |
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BlueAlf
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I'd still be interested in watching this movie regardless, but I guess that explains why Gridman Universe got a more positive reception compared to this.
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Allison Addams
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I didn't even know that was released but I just checked it out and yea.....that was pretty bad. Most of it was just fast cuts to motion blur across the screen to dudes suddenly flying. (I don't even really know what exactly happen when it came to the trucks blowing up tbh) Also, am I the only one who thinks the ridiculous amounts of gratuitous blood is arbitrary as hell and just makes the whole thing a lot dumber? I can appreciate some good blood n gore for fun don't get me wrong, but, it's Kamen Rider? A kids show about a dude with a cool-looking mask who rides a motorcycle. And it just looked like there were guys off-screen throwing buckets of fake blood all over the set with absolutely no direction. It made something like Django Unchained's bloody final shoot-out (for a random example) look like they had more restraint lol |
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BlueAlf
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This may sound weird seeing the franchise now, but in the Showa era, some Kamen Rider series were notoriously horrific. Amazon (and recently, Amazons, I guess) were notable for how much blood it has. Apparently the original manga had its fill of blood too due to being influenced by jidaigeki series. |
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seoulman1985
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From sources I've read and observed, the movie is also adapting the original manga. There was some bloodshed and body horror that was typical of Ishinomori, so Anno is towing a line having to find his own style to depict SKR using both print and tv material as his template.
My only hope is that the momentum started by Team Rider here in the US keeps going thanks to Fuuto PI, Tokushoutsu (OG, Kuuga, Ryuki), and Discotec (Black, Black RX) because showing this movie would be the next natural step for further exposure. I don't mention Toku HD because their subbing of Agito and Faiz are a premium service through Prime, plus their subbing is "questionable." To play devil's advocate, his directorial style shows how much is still rooted in his work directing animated series, and his take live take on Cutie Honey was just as much a foreshadowing of what to expect from his new takes. |
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Allison Addams
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I admit to being more in the Super Sentai camp when it comes to Tokusatsu so I'm not too familiar with much of Kamen Rider deep lore, but it still seems off considering what the franchise really made its name on. I guess the best comparison would be how TMNT started to what it mostly is overall nowadays. It started out as a more graphic parody of mutant super teams in kids shows, but what really put it on the map was the pizza-loving kid-friendly version. And while there's still totally a place for that mature version (which I still liked) the family-friendly version is what arguably works best and why it's known that way. |
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Rowri8
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I loved the movie, it is such an homage to the original manga and series, especially with the bloody stuff. Also, having Yoshiki Takaya in the same theatre was an awesome coincidence that made me enjoy the movie even more lol
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TranceLimit174
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The primary inspiration for Shin Kamen Rider are the 1st 13 episodes of the show and Shotaro Ishinomori's manga, both of which are considerably darker and place more emphasis on Hongo as a tragic lone hero. As for the violence, it is Hideaki Anno once again showing off his otaku credentials for verisimilitude because on paper, Kamen Rider's strength is measured in tons. So it stands to reason that your average Shocker goon would explode on impact from an "Augmented" cyborg.
A lot of fans, myself included, were worried that Shin Kamen Rider would be Anno's one misfire. Thankfully, all the reviews and reactions are saying that isn't the case and that in some ways this is even more of a fan pleaser than Shin Ultraman was, which is hard to believe. I've been trying not to overhype myself on the film, but everything I'm reading and seeing tells me I'm gonna very happy. Can't wait and I'm hoping that 1. We get a worldwide release announcement soon & 2. It doesn't take as long to come to the States as Shin Ultraman did. |
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MFrontier
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I think it helps to keep in mind that it's only relatively recent (like in the way later Heisei years) that Kamen Rider tried to appear a little more kid friendly or tone down the graphic violence (even if they still toe the line pretty far at times). |
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bleachj0j
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Kamen Rider didn't just become popular in the last 20 years. Graphic violence isn't new to this franchise and iconic parts of the franchise dipped into that. |
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Big Kahuna
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I typically don't post anything negative as I'm neither a film maker nor do I have the money on the line... but this may be the first movie in the theater I walked out before it was over in about 10 years. So disappointed. 'Nuff said.
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nixice
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I walked out as well, but not because I hated it, Shin Kamen Rider just wasn't grabbing me and it wasn't pleasant enough on the big screen to stay for. This was going to be an introduction to Kamen Rider for me. (I know about this series and am curious about tokusatsu hero shows/movies, but I've never committed to any besides a little bit of Power Rangers as a kid.) I was in for a taster of material built as a buffet, and I kind of got that in its blistering pace. (This movie has an action scene, an exposition dump, and an inciting incident for the rest of the movie packed into the first 15 minutes; I arrived late, thought I had started early and I had missed a bunch, switched to an even later show, and realized I had only missed 5 or so minutes.) It does work as a self-contained work and it does work with shorthand that you know anime/tokusatsu well enough that they barely need to introduce SHOCKER or bugman Augs or any of this stuff to get going. So it's got that going for it. However, not much about the actual portion of the film really excited me for more. (I made it through the Bat-Aug before finding something else to do...) The relationship between the two main characters was so terse and cold that I wasn't engaged in the development. The lead character's turmoil is handled in hamfisted voice over and a lot of shivering while staring at people talking to him, which connect me with the hero either. It didn't help that the direction was shockingly rough. Stunt choreography was a lot of random quick-cuts lacking flow or pacing, lacking the directorial control Anno demonstrated in Shin Godzilla (I haven't seen Shin Ultraman yet; Godzilla had some wonkiness too, but when the beast made a big blast, it was shot for the grandeur of the moment, and I never saw that here.) Also, the cinematography at times looked like it was shot on a handicam. (I haven't seen skies blown out with video grain and haloing like that since like 90s movies like Azumi or Battlefield Baseball.) Costumes were cool up close, but in fight scenes there was nothing done to emphasize their designs or capture their scale in a unique sense, so it sort of falls apart that you see it's just a guy dressed up to fight another guy in costume. (Seeing Spider-Aug jump into the back of a car further deflated his imposing frame, though it's probably the image which will stick with me, this murderous 4-armed dredlock monster just scooching over into a bucket seat.) CG was also distractingly bad (which you can forgive on monsters maybe for the fun of it, but CG bloodspray can really be a drag.) You can write these things off as style in tribute to the original TV series, but there was not enough cinematically compelling to indulge in the "choice" of cheap thrills. Maybe some day I'll give it a second shot (the movie supposedly picks up especially with Ruriko's progress after the Bat-Aug battle,) for sure I didn't give it a fully fair shot. However, the audience at my screening was unresponsive and the movie wasn't grabbing me. Hopefully fans are satisfied, but I didn't see what of this movie would make new fans. Last edited by nixice on Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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xonathan22
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Just watched it yesterday. Loved it. But I'm curious on some of the lore changes/updates Hideaki Anno included. Can someone point out to interviews that speak about the changes done?
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