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This Week in Games - A Farewell To Legs

it's another "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" situation where folks in Japan didn't consider whether the name of this character might mean something weird in another language

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it's another "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" situation where folks in Japan didn't consider whether the name of this character might mean something weird in another language

If you mean the name "Laputa" itself, then surely that one is on Jonathan Swift. He coined it in the early 1700s (in a novel that coincidentally and amusingly ends its catalogue of fictional countries with a visit to Japan, and which appeared in a successful Spanish translation—with the place name unchanged—by the end of the same century).

At the same time, the underlying substance is clearly what kept players interested in the long term. Games that bank more heavily on audience thirst without anything to back it up tend to be splashes in the pan at best. I think there's probably a certain balance that people are most willing to accept.

AQuin1904 wrote:

At the same time, the underlying substance is clearly what kept players interested in the long term. Games that bank more heavily on audience thirst without anything to back it up tend to be splashes in the pan at best. I think there's probably a certain balance that people are most willing to accept.

Doesn’t seem to be something DOA fans are willing to accept even though I’ve never seen anyone praise the fighting mechanics but yet everyone seems to think 6 bombed because it toned down the fanservice. Despite TK trotting out the same overly expensive fanservice driven season passes they had for 5.

AQuin1904 wrote:

At the same time, the underlying substance is clearly what kept players interested in the long term. Games that bank more heavily on audience thirst without anything to back it up tend to be splashes in the pan at best. I think there's probably a certain balance that people are most willing to accept.

Doesn’t seem to be something DOA fans are willing to accept even though I’ve never seen anyone praise the fighting mechanics but yet everyone seems to think 6 bombed because it toned down the fanservice. Despite TK trotting out the same overly expensive fanservice driven season passes they had for 5.

BadNewsBlues wrote:

AQuin1904 wrote: At the same time, the underlying substance is clearly what kept players interested in the long term. Games that bank more heavily on audience thirst without anything to back it up tend to be splashes in the pan at best. I think there's probably a certain balance that people are most willing to accept. Doesn’t seem to be something DOA fans are willing to accept even though I’ve never seen anyone praise the fighting mechanics but yet everyone seems to think 6 bombed because it toned down the fanservice. Despite TK trotting out the same overly expensive fanservice driven season passes they had for 5.

Because few people are willing to give DOA enough of a chance to actually examine its systems. Including "fans" who still perpetuate the idea that 6 toned down anything, because they never actually played the game or followed any of its news cycle beyond that initial statement.

JoelBurger wrote:

BadNewsBlues wrote: AQuin1904 wrote: At the same time, the underlying substance is clearly what kept players interested in the long term. Games that bank more heavily on audience thirst without anything to back it up tend to be splashes in the pan at best. I think there's probably a certain balance that people are most willing to accept. Doesn’t seem to be something DOA fans are willing to accept even though I’ve never seen anyone praise the fighting mechanics but yet everyone seems to think 6 bombed because it toned down the fanservice. Despite TK trotting out the same overly expensive fanservice driven season passes they had for 5. Because few people are willing to give DOA enough of a chance to actually examine its systems. Including "fans" who still perpetuate the idea that 6 toned down anything, because they never actually played the game or followed any of its news cycle beyond that initial statement.

DOA was a case where its fanbase doth protested too much. They spent years insisting that the games were more than just the exaggerated boob physics, but when they toned down the fanservice in 6 they hollered bloody murder. And while I do think it's valid for a game to embrace fanservice (just be honest about it and don't make cheesecake some kind of weird moral stance), DOA really wanted to have its cake and eat it when, as other people pointed out, it was jank as heck upon release. You're not building any kind of audience with the sort of nickle-and-diming DOA 6 pulled off.

Doesn’t seem to be something DOA fans are willing to accept even though I’ve never seen anyone praise the fighting mechanics but yet everyone seems to think 6 bombed because it toned down the fanservice. Despite TK trotting out the same overly expensive fanservice driven season passes they had for 5.

Except they didn't tone it down. As is evident if you looked at literally anything related to DOA6 beyond the initial statement that they were wanting to tone things down (including the Evo stream that got taken down because they were zooming into Tina's ass as she gets powerbombed).

Back to Atelier: the thing I haven't seen many people point out was that it DID have a loyal fanbase before Ryza--of mostly female fans.

Venus Vacation, the far more fanservice focused spin off, is consistently more popular and has a higher player count than DOA6 is by multiple times. I think that signals that the fanservice is a key appealing factor if the fans jumped ship to that rather than bothering with 6.

You only need look at the initial default outfits and options settings to tell they did tone it down. Kasumi is wearing a full body suit head to toe.

It's something all fighting games have done for a long time now due to networks and conventions complaining and trying to fit games to fit the very small niche that plays them competitively at EVO.

Most people just kept playing 5

I think it's extremely funny that people are accusing people who aren't a fan of fanservice in Atelier as tourists when there's dozens of Atelier games without fanservice

Ryza doesn't even have that much fanservice I feel? Aside from some camera angles and Lila's design it doesn't feel that fanservicy, though I've only played Ryza 1 so far

I think it's extremely funny that people are accusing people who aren't a fan of fanservice in Atelier as tourists when there's dozens of Atelier games without fanservice

MagicPolly wrote:

I think it's extremely funny that people are accusing people who aren't a fan of fanservice in Atelier as tourists when there's dozens of Atelier games without fanservice

I don’t see anyone making that argument in this thread.

I think it's extremely funny that people are accusing people who aren't a fan of fanservice in Atelier as tourists when there's dozens of Atelier games without fanservice