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maximilianjenus
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tell me you don't know how ai art works without telling me you don't know how ai art works.
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MarshalBanana
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While he is certainly right about the need for outsourcing and/or an increases in birth rates due to a labour shortage, his comments on NFTS and AI sound like hogwash. He also seems to be overlooking the old issue that whenever technology makes work easier, the people in charge make them do double the work. Remember how computers were supposed to allow office workers to do their work in half the time, so bosses just hired half the workforce and made them do the other half's.
His snarky comments at the end leave much to desired. Yeah I know, the person who just drew Dragon Ball knock-offs, and then dropped out of art college because the tutor expected them to draw real life objects and people instead of copy designs from their favourite Anime. Yeah I've met people like that in real life and online. |
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chronium
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This really tells me he's not thinking about how to really make things better. A lot of problems could be solved by changing the way they sell anime. Instead of trying to meet weekly airing deadlines a season really should only be sold when it's completed that way they can get the proper price for the work that was done and not overwork staff trying to meet deadlines.
As for AI animation a big step was shown off this past week from Corridor Crew where they do a motion capture AI animated short. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9LX9HSQkWo&ab |
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Hoppy800
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NFTs won't make anything better, and usually make things worse.
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AsleepBySunset
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AI "rotoscoping" is irrelevent because it's not actually animation, it's just sticking a filter on liveaction footage, just because it was made by the AI black box doesn't transform it into animation. Since anime is animation made in Japan, it's impossible for this "tech demo" to ever be anime on a number of levels. Rotoscoping, when handdrawn (eg, ralph bakshi, fleischer brothers) is animation because a human artist traced the picture frame by frame. If you trace a picture in photoshop, you've made an artwork (albeit, a potentially copyright-infringing artwork). If you stick a filter on someone else's picture in photoshop, you haven't made an artwork, you just stuck a filter on someone elses picture. Also, I've seen clips of it on twitter, and it looks like if gohands got into CGI celshaded animation, no offence. Even if AI content is "the future", I'm not going to consume crap. |
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Kougeru
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LMFAO this is just a BS statement. He's just shilling NFTs, nothing more. They're not "receipts". They're a scam. This has been proven time and time again.
I mean...this isn't even true. A lot of the data sets from specific AIs are stolen but not ALL. Furthermore, "Scrubbing the internet" is not "stealing art". Publicly accessible art can't really be "Stolen". The AI Art programs most people talk about don't copy art, they learn from it like humans do, but at a much faster scale. So what they're doing so really no different than a human going to pixiv or something and using images as references to learn from. Again, it's just MUCH faster than a human can learn. Yeah, I'm kinda defending AI art more than he is lol. I think the main thing is that AI art should always be clearly labeled, artists should be able to opt out from learning sets (though this should also ban humans from using them for reference ) and definitely never actually copy and pasted from like very few AI do. To clarify one more time, most already do not actually steal art, just learn from it. |
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Lady Multi
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Um... if you use any digital art program, you're teaching AI art if you didn't know. Clip/Manga Studio, Photoshop, Corel, etc... all have features that read your strokes and how you work on your artwork.... Some record it so you can play it back for yourself. Why do you think that internal recording feature exists on some of these programs? (Most commonly on Mobile aps). You can read about it on all the program's pages, you know.
There is also personal AI aps, that have never touched the internet that feed just from fed Art. The art does not have to feed of "the mass off the internet" but from a series of selected inserted samples from the creator. A creator can use their own artwork (closed system) to manipulate their own art. There is a website that you can create little portraits that do this. A lot of people are misinformed on AI art, even this guy. The good AI art programs are very difficult to use and don't "Steal" more than humans do. |
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chronium
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They chose to use that style but they showed that different styles could be used. I can definitely see it used to save time on action sequences whether it be for fights or sports. |
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Erufailon4
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I think international studios specializing in anime-style animation (to use the most neutral term possible since the definition of "anime" is as debated as always) are going to become more prevalent in the future. I hope they'll be wiser than Tonari when it comes to NFT and AI stuff though. (And... other things. The NFTs haven't been Tonari's only controversy.)
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Matros
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To no one's surprise, the guy who exploits young inexperienced animators thinks AI and NFTs will help the industry.
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Shay Guy
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I don't think there's a single anime studio that can afford to make a whole season before it's been sold. |
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chronium
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They can't flip a switch and do it for all shows, like any big change it would require a transition period starting with one show. |
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Shay Guy
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I'm saying, not even one show. Making anime costs money. A lot of money. Our good publisher reported a year and a half ago that "$250,000 per episode roughly covers the full Japanese production budget for many series, although higher budget anime sometimes cost as much as $500,000 an episode to produce." That's $3-6 million a cour. Animation studios don't have that kind of cash on hand. That's why production committees exist. |
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Abraham Omosun
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Funny thing about him mentioning bored apes is that they produced an animated short or something and i remember it looking like ass
Anyway does anything get fixed with this. From my POV it seems all the problems with the anime industry will just continue but with AI and NFTs (like how the shift to digital don't stop broken/bad backgrounds). Producers will likely just make more anime with less people, less time and less money |
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Brainchild129
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The last thing anyone needs is yet another random rich white guy barging in claiming that AI and NFTs will fix everything, much less anime.
Last edited by Brainchild129 on Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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