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Kenfra
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No one should be doing this. To begin with, why should a Japanese game developer be obliged to adhere to questionable western standards. It's a shame how far the gaming fandom has fallen. I just pray the anime audience doesn't do the same.
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WeebRunningWild
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Its funny how ACTUAL HISTORIANS said that medieval Europe was not all white people. Also where are the jewish people, which were prevalent in medieval Europe?
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Chris Handsome
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I mean, it's Final Fantasy. There's Dwarfves... Moggles, Al Bhed, Lizard Folk and Bunny Girls. There's even different religions like Saint Asura and Yevon. Plenty of diversity.
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Anime was a mistake
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It's a Fantasy game... I get where people are coming from, but ffs...
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WANNFH
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Honestly, the fact that the western media really trying to push the creators over the fact of representation and diversity despite forgetting the actual first thing that it's the fictional fantasy first is just angering me the most. Like, hey, how about actually giving the people who trying to do the thing actual creative freedom first, and only then trying to care about certain parts of the auditory because it maaaaaaaaybe doesn't like the thing for reasons just because - despite it's not released yet?
Because c'mon - if anything we currently learn from the media products like cinema, TV series, or games is the fact that the coefficiency of representation of ethnic diversity in the plot is totally not equal at all to the actual writing quality, capability to make good story or setting, even if you try to add more. |
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Wyvern
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Game designers will make a fantasy world full of magic dragons and elves and summoned ice goddesses, but then when someone asks why there's no black people the devs suddenly care about "realism."
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FinalVentCard
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If Yoshi-P had just admitted he didn't want to have to establish multiple cultures in Valisthea, that would have been fine. Still not good, but better than "A black person in a world with dragon's and giant magic crystals isn't realistic".
It's 2022, people need to stop making excuses for not having people of color in their games. |
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WANNFH
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Los Nido
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Harassing creators for not doing what fans feel they are entitled to? I agree, that is a very poor thing to keep seeing entitled fanbases do. |
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Wyvern
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Asking a game developer a question about his game, during an interview which that developer agreed to, is hardly "harassing" him.
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MFrontier
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Not really something I think about when it comes to JPRG's or games from Japanese developers.
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Kenfra
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I meant having to explain why there isn't diversity in your game. Over the past few years in the western sphere it became a requirement in all walks of life, and even as someone who isn't white, I can never understand why. |
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Fedora-san
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I feel in the case of Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings are poor examples because the source material clearly states what the ethnic make up of the world are and the changes are just flat out inaccurate retcons. If you want to make your own setting that's all multicultural that's one thing, but the trend in Hollywood is to take establishes properties and change them. It really just comes down to the original works that do that tend to not be very popular while enduring franchises are ripe to be co-opted by newer generations of writers. That's why I am glad there's such a fight for creator rights in Japan. YoshiP's answer should not be surprising to anyone who has played 14 though. The man has always kept it real and never minced words with people he felt were acting in bad faith. I applauded his well thought out answer to IGN's loaded question. |
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WANNFH
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When you introduce PoC in a fantasy that is clearly built on different mythic (hello there, The Witcher), just only for the reason to "have them there" - it doesn't make the thing better. When you replace the character's race, despite everything other is basically staying the same and his actual representation barely matters for the show (hi, Netflix Resident Evil) - it still will not improve the quality of the story writing. If anything, that is actually countering what people trying to achieve - instead of making better stories with a representative cast and their own multicultural setting, a lot of modern writers actually cannibalize on the already established fiction while just adding the representation and ethnic diversity only just for check marking. If people actually ground fantasy fiction just for the fact that it's not even trying to represent reality - it's no better than just killing the genre and authors' freedom. |
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ANN_Lynzee
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You're deliberately ignoring the context of Jean-Karlo's comment by only quoting the last sentence. It was specifically about Yoshida invoking history as the reasoning. He wrote that if that hadn't been presented as the logic behind the decision, it wouldn't have been as much of an issue.
Also, no one is making anyone do anything. People yell about "creator freedom" like having the audacity to ask "is this trailer representative of all characters in the game or are you going to acknowledge non-white people exist?" is some sort of death knell for creativity. If you want to go play in your ethnocentric sandbox, go ahead but people are allowed to form an opinion about why the the game with giant, ridable chickens draws the line at characters having any melanin. Last edited by ANN_Lynzee on Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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