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omoikane
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There was a roughly 3-month+ period where the Funi app on My Apple TV just would not play some video with English subs. Thankfully this was fixed a few months ago. I think if you look for help online, you can see a lot of people complaining about various issues, some minor a few major, about their service.
It's not to say people don't have problem with CR service, but it is much less frequent (and rare given their bigger user base). A lot more people are CR subscribers, you don't hear problems with their service nearly as often. |
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Naotomato
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Me who reads raws and watches them
Oh no! Anyway |
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SpiritSmoocher
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Sony is now unstoppable in the anime game now. The reason why Gundam, Shaman King, and Jojo went to Netflix is likely because licensing anime to FuniRoll is only going to make domestic competition tougher. Sony owns Aniplex which owns A-1 Pictures/Cloverworks and has heavy ties with Ufotable. Everything they put out dominates anime streaming. Licensing anime to FuniRoll is only going to give them more money and allow them to make higher quality productions that will draw viewership.
The crunchyroll staff will likely be gone. High Guardian Spice was likely their last ditch effort to create anime-like productions since Crunchyroll doesn't have dedicated anime studios like Sony. Their website has been lagging for like a year now because they likely pushed the overloaded server problems to Sony. Princess Connect RE:dive doesn't make that much money and a lot of Crunchyroll games have went under. Also if you are not aware, Sony owns a huge amount of Kadokawa shares so any Kadokawa anime is likely going to FuniRoll. Anyone who followed the V I see situation would know Funi isn't a holy company. Last edited by SpiritSmoocher on Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:46 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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SpiritSmoocher
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Sentai generally doesn't have the capital to get big hits, but a lot of anime productions are still low budget. Japanese producers are more likely to work with Sentai now because if they work FuniRoll, that is just helping Sony to crush them in the domestic market. Sony owns A-1 Pictures and Cloverworks. They have heavy ties with Ufotable. Sony has been dominating in the streaming market for quite a while. This is why Netflix has started to get a lot of shows recently such as Gundam, Shaman King, and Jojo. HiDive is also starting to expand its library. |
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Deadwing
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What I hope is that Crunchyroll becomes the default streaming site/app, with all the shows they and Funimation have acquired all being consolidated on the service. Like, Funi does all the licensing & physical releases, and the incoming Crunchyroll people handle the streaming side. I've been using Crunchyroll's app on Xbox for years (pretty much since they dropped support for Panasonic smart TVs in 2015) and I've gotten accustomed to their app, subs, etc. I've been a subscriber since Jan. 2013, and I've yet to bother with Funi or HiDive's apps.
While I agree with the market consolidation concerns, how can anyone say anything about the actual quality of HGS considering not a single episode has aired. I mean, I could agree that the trailer doesn't make it look like anything special, but it could surprise us and be at least decent. |
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BigOnAnime
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https://www.otakuentrepreneur.com/crunchyroll-sonys-anime-market-takeover/ Nozomi gets only a few titles per year, VIZ licenses anime once in a blue moon (they've always been primarily a manga company), Sentai has been getting single digits for new titles for a while now and struggles to hit 5 (this season they have just 3 titles, last season they had one), and their slates are now full of re-releases similar to ADV Films after the Sojitz deal blew up (ADV had nothing but re-releases from mid-2008-late 2009 except for Kiba and then the news hit). Competition is pretty much dead as far as new titles are concerned.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/ftc-tells-some-businesses-to-merge-at-own-risk.html
https://medium.com/crunchyroll/the-story-of-the-crunchyroll-datacenter-af40a63e9be2 |
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Phrunicus
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...I mean, I assume this means they just did a straight, one-time funds transfer or something, no stock options or bonds or weird financial structurings, but this makes it sound like Sony came in and plopped down a briefcase (was it a Fendi?) full of bills on the table in front of AT&T ;p |
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TemplateR
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Cruncyhroll AND Wakanim have the worst App-UI, that I have seen and I hope Sony will also invest they money in that.
Especially, how to the navigate and finding specific dubbed-episodes in Wakanim are awful as hell. The same goes for crunchyroll although it isn´t awful like wakanim, but their epsiode-overview on my PS4-App is. I´m not against the merger of cruncyhroll and sony/funimation, but I really hope they will focus now on better apps. I just wanted to have a smoothly switching between subbing and dubbing in the app of cruncyhroll or wakanim like in Netflix..... |
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Rob19ny
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What a twist of fate. Funiroll is back in action after its original partnership in 2016 and ended in 2018 due to Sony. Now it is Sony who brings them back together.
Early in the article:
One of the quotes later in the article:
Alex, I don't think you noticed the contradiction in the article you made. |
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k_dawg_3484
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Oh, it 100% is. The SEC lets pretty much every monopoly go through. The only time I remember them blocking one was AT&T acquiring T-Mobile, and then T-Mobile just acquired Sprint a few years later. Wouldn't even be surprised if they let the Nvidia ARM acquisition go through. Anyway, what's done is done, so I will echo what others have said: for the love of God, don't fold this all into Funi's garbage website with its garbage video player. CR has a very competent video player. Start by shoving that into your website and sending your current one to the incinerator, MegaSonyFuniCorp. |
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NeverConvex
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I wonder how this will affect Crunchy's attempts at "originals"? They've largely flopped, but the recent pirate princess one seems hopeful. Would be a shame if they totally gave up on trying after acquisition, IMO.
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matt78
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I wish they would stop making original content and instead go back and do remakes of past anime that got bad or incomplete adaptions. I'm sure we all have favorite shows that we think could use a remake that doesn't have a chance of happening. For me that would be Soul Eater, Rosario+Vampire & Negima. Between Funimation & Crunchyroll they should know which shows were popular enough for this treatment. |
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Zalis116
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I recognize the noxious talking points of that infamous anti-industry arsonist, though I see you've chosen to link one of his less incendiary videos. What's next, McDonald's and Burger King aren't actually competitors, because they sell different foods instead of competing to see who has the best restaurant decor and customer service? Do book publishers all have to publish the same books and compete to see who has the best cover art and paper quality? Funny how no one complained about exclusive licensing in anime back in the pre-streaming era, when you had to buy a given series from the publisher that licensed it -- you couldn't choose to buy the Funimation version of Fushigi Yuugi or the ADV version of Escaflowne in the 2000s, based on who had the best packaging, dubbing, translations, A/V quality, extras, etc. -- you had to buy Geneon's and Bandai's respectively. Yet only after the shift from "expensive DVDs coming out years after broadcast" to "much cheaper streaming during broadcast," suddenly viewers moved the goalposts and discovered a philosophical objection to exclusivity. And for uniquenameosaurus and his followers, it is about the money, not the service or the convenience of having everything in one place. If it weren't about the money, they'd be happy to pay something resembling the price of Funi + CR combined for the theoretical service posited in this article, or something approaching the price of all services combined for one universal service. But despite lip service to the contrary, UNS doesn't actually want a fair and competitive market. If he did, he'd be telling his viewers to petition their governments and pool their resources to mount court challenges to get the relevant laws changed and disallow exclusive licensing. No, he's out to sabotage the anime industry by telling people to engage in sham "boycotts" by pirating anime instead of paying for it, falsely casting his side as noble activists in a righteous holy war against allegedly-evil anti-consumer anime distributors. If he really wanted fair markets, he'd also combine his call for non-exclusive competition with a call for anime piracy to be shut down or severely curtailed, e.g. becoming more underground and focused on old/obscure titles not legally available. Because even if exclusive licensing goes away, pirates making feature/service-based decisions are still going to just turn around and choose pirate sites, which in addition to being free, are still going to have... content that legal sites don't have! spoiler[I guess competing with content IS okay, if pirates are the ones doing it! ] He's pining for fairness, while cheering for cheaters -- pirate sites that gain an unfair advantage over legal sites by not having to pay for licenses, translations, dubbing, or even video bandwidth. "Capitalist competition for thee, socialist free stuff for me!" Sure, UNS tries to smooth over this blatant hypocrisy by insisting that exclusive licensing is holding back companies from the impossible task of competing with piracy by developing some [magical/transcendental] "service feature nobody's ever thought of," one that pirate sites somehow can't also implement for Reasons. (Never mind that Funi and CR recently overhauled their sites, despite exclusivity still being a thing.) Of course, how they're supposed to accomplish this AND license all the anime while having little or no money because a "large number" of their subscribers turned to piracy at his behest, is a minor detail UNS prefers not to get into. And despite his denials that he wants to harm the anime industry, he doesn't consider how ending exclusive licensing would lead to anime services getting mowed down by the deep-pocketed Amazons, Netflixes and Disney+es of the world. "Sure, FuniRoll, you can license The Boys/Bridgerton/The Mandalorian; just pay us $10 million per episode!" |
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Alan45
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Exclusive licensing isn't going anywhere. Copyright gives ownership of media to the rights holder. This include the ability to license or sell the rights to a show to anyone under their terms. In order to end exclusive licensing in this country you would have to extensively modify copyright for everyone. Anyone who thinks that Disney or other rights holders would permit that is dreaming. The only alternative that I can see would to be convincing each individual Japanese rights holder to not offer exclusive contracts. I really doubt that would happen.
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Shay Guy
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Statutory licenses for music are a thing. Dunno what the way they're implemented would imply about the effects on movies, TV, and video content in general, though. |
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