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Do you have an anime itch that isn't being scratched enough lately?


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Alan45
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:53 pm Reply with quote
@Unicorn_Blade

Have you tried Black Lagoon? Adult characters, serious themes set in the underworld of SE Asia.

Also Baccano a mixture of bat shit crazy adults and immortals set in prohibition era US.

Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens hit men vs hitmen in Tokyo.
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 pm Reply with quote
Psycho 101 wrote:
For a while now I have really been itching for some good Science Fiction anime. To clarify, Sci-Fi without mechs. There's still plenty of Gundam titles pumped out all the time, and other shows with Sci-Fi elements. Most though have some sort of mech component to it. If you take those away there's only a handful that are more Sci-Fi heavy that have been released in recent years. I'm also excluding isekai titles. While that element could be considered Sci-Fi they are pretty much all fantasy based at the core.

In terms of tv series I think the 2 best for me in recent years that qualify for what I'm looking for would be Steins Gate and Erased. Steins Gate to me was a mix of Sci-Fi (time travel elements) and Suspense. The Science Fiction elements though were part of the core of the story. Not just a simple filler component. Erased might be a bit more of a stretch, but to me it scratched that same itch that Steins Gate did. Almost a Steins Gate light in some aspects.

You are absolutely speaking my language. I started seriously watching anime around 2005, and a lot of my all-time favorite series still come from the late 90s to early 2000s, when it seemed like the go-to genre for any original anime work was sci-fi. Especially space-based sci-fi...dear lord it is a crime how starved for that we've been over the past several years. I think a big part of it is just how comparatively rare original anime works have become, with the vast majority of any given season now consisting of adaptations. Sunrise used to be the unqualified masters of original sci-fi series, and then the group that split from them to form BONES carried the torch for a while.

(Granted in my case I'd extend this to mecha series too, of which there are precious few that aren't named Gundam. Even among the original titles released over the past few years, most don't seem to have garnered much in the way of critical praise.)

Unicorn_Blade wrote:

Now my biggest thing I miss are the post-apocaliptic, serious shows for slightly older audience. Ihave been out of touch with anime for a few years now really and not around forums, if I watch one or two titles per year I'm lucky- just no time with two kids now lol.
But, I do try to read through premises of shows every season and while there seem to be some excellent shows, nonw in the vein of what I am looking for.
I know Texhnolyze didn't have many fans, but I really loved it and the dark, gloomy mood around it. Shows in the caliber of Wolf's Rain do not seem to be happening either. Ergo Proxy, Noein, Now and Then, Here and There, I find myself rewatching old stuff really.

I suppose I also miss big fun and sad at the same time adventures like FMA (with Brotherhood), Eureka 7 and Last Exile- the two latter did have horribly bad continuations, and still that was years ago. And stuff only the Late Satoshi Kon would pull of, like Paranoia Agent, crazy, mental stuff. Or weird fantastic stuff like Kaiba.

A lot of the shows you mentioned are among my favorites as well, and for the same reasons. I'm a sucker for more serious psychological series, the sort of crunchy show you can dig your teeth into and have a good think over. I'm not sure if those series are really rarer now, or if they just get more drowned out in the uber-flood of new shows every season, or a little of both, but it definitely feels like slim pickings on that front.
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:24 am Reply with quote
Psycho 101 wrote:
For a while now I have really been itching for some good Science Fiction anime. To clarify, Sci-Fi without mechs. There's still plenty of Gundam titles pumped out all the time, and other shows with Sci-Fi elements. Most though have some sort of mech component to it. If you take those away there's only a handful that are more Sci-Fi heavy that have been released in recent years. I'm also excluding isekai titles. While that element could be considered Sci-Fi they are pretty much all fantasy based at the core.

In terms of tv series I think the 2 best for me in recent years that qualify for what I'm looking for would be Steins Gate and Erased. Steins Gate to me was a mix of Sci-Fi (time travel elements) and Suspense. The Science Fiction elements though were part of the core of the story. Not just a simple filler component. Erased might be a bit more of a stretch, but to me it scratched that same itch that Steins Gate did. Almost a Steins Gate light in some aspects.

How much is the absence of sci-fi shows a consequence of the choices being made by manga-ka and novelists? Given that production committees frown on anime-original stories, they are dependent on the tastes of the authors who produce popular media and the audiences they serve.

I wonder too if, in the case of space stories, the heightened production values of sci-fi films sets a high bar for animators. Take The Expanse as an example. Most of the story is shot on sound stages with interior scenes inside the space ships, on Earth, or on the various asteroid colonies. There are sequences with space ships zooming around and fighting battles, but they're not that common. I suspect the same would be true for anime set in space given their limited budgets.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:53 pm Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:

I wonder too if, in the case of space stories, the heightened production values of sci-fi films sets a high bar for animators. Take The Expanse as an example. Most of the story is shot on sound stages with interior scenes inside the space ships, on Earth, or on the various asteroid colonies. There are sequences with space ships zooming around and fighting battles, but they're not that common. I suspect the same would be true for anime set in space given their limited budgets.


It shouldn't be, in the past decade, we've had two new Yamato shows, with a third one under production, and the new version of Legend of the Galactic Heroes, as well as Macross Delta. I think it comes down more to shifts in people's interests and tastes that are moving away from sci-fi anime rather than production values.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:05 am Reply with quote
Alan45 wrote:
@Unicorn_Blade

Have you tried Black Lagoon? Adult characters, serious themes set in the underworld of SE Asia.

Also Baccano a mixture of bat shit crazy adults and immortals set in prohibition era US.

Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens hit men vs hitmen in Tokyo.


I have seen both Black lagoon and Baccano a good while ago, really enjoyed both, need to check the Hakata Tonkotsu Ramen, thank you Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:36 am Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:

How much is the absence of sci-fi shows a consequence of the choices being made by manga-ka and novelists? Given that production committees frown on anime-original stories, they are dependent on the tastes of the authors who produce popular media and the audiences they serve.


That's a good point. And to add to it, I can't help but wonder how much the editorial decisions of the big manga publishers affect this as well. I imagine there is a massive amount of manga being written in all manner of genres but not all Mangaka are lucky enough to get a place in the big magazines like WSJ or are picked up by the big publishers. Someone must be making high-level decisions regarding what mangaka they hire and what titles they publish. Those people must have a great amount of control, perhaps indirectly, on what anime gets made.

For example after Madoka Magica came out people were suddenly awakened to the "dark magical girl" concept. It wasn't long before the imitators started appearing: Yuki Yuna, Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka, etc. Obviously Madoka Magica inspired writers and artists, but I can't help but think it inspired the publishers as well: "Hey, this dark magical girl stuff is selling great, let's seek out more related manga to publish". I'd imagine the same thing happened with the maid craze in the early 2000's, the moeblob shows which came after, the current Isekai trend. Obviously customer (reader) input factors in too, but we readers can only choose from what the publishers have decided to release. It may well be that currently some editor thinks that yet another isekai title will sell better than sci-fi so he or she doesn't even give the sci-fi title a chance to go before the public.
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Jose Cruz



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:09 pm Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:
Psycho 101 wrote:
For a while now I have really been itching for some good Science Fiction anime. To clarify, Sci-Fi without mechs.

You are absolutely speaking my language. I started seriously watching anime around 2005, and a lot of my all-time favorite series still come from the late 90s to early 2000s, when it seemed like the go-to genre for any original anime work was sci-fi. Especially space-based sci-fi...dear lord it is a crime how starved for that we've been over the past several years.


Some recent science fiction anime shows without mechs that I haven't seem mentioned here include:

Girls Last Tour (2017) (actually, I think its similar to Texhnolyze but with moe)
Beatless (2018) (a quite deep show actually when it delves on the possible relationship of AI and humanity)
Astra Lost in Space (2019) (a nice space show)
No Guns Life (2019-2020) (basically a show about cyborgs)
Dr. Stone (2019) (it is, technically, a science fiction show)
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