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Bisuketto
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:06 pm
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Interesting premise.
I should go take a look and see how it develops.
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:48 pm
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"If this can get published, even I can do it"
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:03 pm
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Rather, "I can totally do better than the guy I'm editing for."
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Urizithar
Joined: 07 Aug 2013
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:24 pm
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Takkun4343 wrote: | Rather, "I can totally do better than the guy I'm editing for." |
Doubt, if he can do better he should make his damn job and fix SAO before it was released.
Also premise seems like "I don't want to do SAO but something 180, with one of those lately popular villainous protags and hugly successful Re:Zero's but not really gimmick." so no points here.
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Kisuke525
Joined: 05 Nov 2019
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:22 pm
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Urizithar wrote: |
Takkun4343 wrote: | Rather, "I can totally do better than the guy I'm editing for." |
Doubt, if he can do better he should make his damn job and fix SAO before it was released.
Also premise seems like "I don't want to do SAO but something 180, with one of those lately popular villainous protags and hugly successful Re:Zero's but not really gimmick." so no points here. |
Fix SAO before it was released? Reki Kawahara wrote SAO on the internet years before this guy ever saw it...
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R315r4z0r
Joined: 30 Aug 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:07 pm
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The majority of the reasons that people "hate" on SAO, ignoring all the bandwagoners, are due to how the anime adapts it. The light novels are amazing.
Probably the most prominent reasoning is the pacing of the first half of season 1. But there is actually reasoning behind that pacing, so I'll fill you in with some trivia. Warning, long weeb rant inbound!
SAO was first imagined as a one-off story to be submitted into a contest for Dengeki Bunko. But when the story was finished, it was too long to be submitted. So, Kawahara didn't submit it and instead put it up online. It received a lot of positive reactions and he then expanded it into a web novel series. It wasn't until many years later, when Kawahara submitted a new story, which would be come to be known as Accel World, that Dengeki Bunko decided to serialize SAO as well.
However, the original story, which is now known as the Aincrad arc and is contained squarely in Volume 1 of the light novel series, only consisted of what the anime adaptation depicts as episodes 1, 8, 9, 10, 13 and 14. Let me repeat that: the entirety of the original SAO story was fit wholly into 6 anime episodes. That is to say, nothing was really cut or reworked. The original plot started with them being trapped and then did a time skip all the way to the 74th floor, at which point the remainder of the plot concluded.
But, as you might know if you've seen the anime, there is quite a lot of time skipping. The reason for that is because two other volumes of the light novel series, volume 2 and volume 8, are compilations of short stories that take place during the Aincrad arc. In addition to those two volumes, episode 2 was written specifically for the anime by Kawahara. This story would later spawn the SAO Progressive Light Novel series. (I'd also like to point out that the anime utterly butchered this story because Kawahara wrote basically half a novel that the anime condensed into 23 minutes. So, if you're favorite episode of SAO happened to be episode 2, then you are very likely to enjoy the SAO Progressive series)
I digress. The anime took most of the side stories and put them into chronological order. This makes up episodes 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, and 12 of the anime adaptation. And, if you've seen the anime, you'll realize those are the episodes that jump around.
Once Fairy Dance starts, however, everything else is much more linear. That is to say, there isn't any more random time skipping after episode 12.
So, yeah. The pacing is merely a result of the anime adapting a LN that wasn't originally planned to be a series.
And, as an additional piece of trivia: another common complaint about SAO is that Kirito seems "too perfect." This is actually an unfortunate side effect of novel adaptation. Because in the LN, the story is told in first person, through Kirito's perspective. Meaning there is a lot of inner dialogue and contemplation that don't translate well into a visual form. This creates the scenario where Kirito seems to always do the right thing naturally, without thinking. But this is a fault of the adaptation media. Inner monologues are boring in action anime. So they aren't adapted.
Kawahara even acknowledges this himself in one of the afterword sections of his progressive series. It's the only story that features Kirito where the narration perspective is through Asuna's point of view. In the afterword, Kawahara says that when you don't hear Kirito's thoughts, he ends up looking cooler than he actually is supposed to be.
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Pedram
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:12 pm
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Takkun4343 wrote: | Rather, "I can totally do better than the guy I'm editing for." |
Hopefully he can, but it's pretty hard to do, since SAO is the most successful light novel of the decade. (2010 ~ 2019)
Popularity and Sales both, SAO is at the top.
Kisuke525 wrote: |
Urizithar wrote: |
Takkun4343 wrote: | Rather, "I can totally do better than the guy I'm editing for." |
Doubt, if he can do better he should make his damn job and fix SAO before it was released.
Also premise seems like "I don't want to do SAO but something 180, with one of those lately popular villainous protags and hugly successful Re:Zero's but not really gimmick." so no points here. |
Fix SAO before it was released? Reki Kawahara wrote SAO on the internet years before this guy ever saw it... |
Miki have an Interview where he talk about how SAO end up being released as a LN.
Basically, Reki Kawahara did not even intent or suggest for SAO to be released as a LN.
Miki was the one who asked him to give him his old works.
And after Reki Kawahara give him the SAO webnovels, he said let's just publish this on the side as well. (on the side of AW, since Reki's Main wrok that got him and Miki connected was A/w)
if Reki or Miki wanted to, they could edit SAO LN before release as well, but they didn't really care.
Plus, it didn't need that much fixing as it's pretty solid either way, just not the best it could be.
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Pedram
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:26 pm
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R315r4z0r wrote: | This creates the scenario where Kirito seems to always do the right thing naturally, without thinking. But this is a fault of the adaptation media. Inner monologues are boring in action anime. So they aren't adapted. |
I have to say, while I completely agree with you that Kirito's character in the novel is 1000 time better and more complex and in-depth than the anime.
But even in the anime Kirito isn't always doing the right thing.
That's just random people on the net making stuff up to hate on the character.
if Kirito was always right, he wouldn't have left Klein and regret it even until the end of Aincrad and ask him to forgive him after 2 years lol
He wouldn't act like he did in EP2.
He wouldn't fail and let Sachi's guild end up the way it did.
He wouldn't make so many mistake so many time in the show.
He would not foolishly go in ALO to save Asuna alone without even changing his NervGear to Amusphere or telling any adult just in-case shit happens.
He was even trying to solo the fking raid like a retard and died had to be saved by Leafa or he would have to go back to starting area for respawn and could never save Asuna in time.
and many many more in every season i can give so many times he did something wrong.
the difference between the anime and the light novels is just... you can read it first hand when he deeply regret some of his decisions and cry about it or try to change.
but you might miss it in the anime since it got no inner monologue.
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BlueAlf
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:02 pm
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I agree that the SAO novels are really good and that the anime ended up making things weird. So it's strange for me that people tend to immediately bash SAO from this news, while I think it's Index that actually has the more problematic story.
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FilthyCasual
Joined: 01 Jun 2015
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 pm
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Poor MC, getting a useless power like <<Immortality>> instead of the almighty <<Dogeza>>.
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Kisuke525
Joined: 05 Nov 2019
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:16 pm
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I gotta say seeing people here recognize that the novels and the anime adaptation are not equal in quality really does put a smile on my face. I honestly expected to see nothing but people bashing the series in here.
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Kisuke525
Joined: 05 Nov 2019
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:19 pm
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BlueAlf wrote: | I agree that the SAO novels are really good and that the anime ended up making things weird. So it's strange for me that people tend to immediately bash SAO from this news, while I think it's Index that actually has the more problematic story. |
Hey the Index novels are great! Sure its got seem weak volumes in OT but overall the series is fantastic!
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IceLeaf
Joined: 08 Sep 2019
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:48 am
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It sounds interesting so I'll give it a shot.
From a standpoint of someone who didn't like the SAO anime or manga, it was partly due to the plot getting bland and repetitive and partly due to the fanbase. There were parts where it shone but other points where I couldn't even recall what happened. For me and several other people I know IRL, a large part of the hate for SAO comes from the "fans" who try to shove down people's throats that it's the best anime ever and automatically claim that any series with any mild resemblance to a character/setting/plot are trying to rip off SAO even when the came out before SAO was written.
From R315r4z0r's argument for novels I will give them a try as it reminded me of some other novels I like that got butchered for their anime.
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Scion Drake
Joined: 25 Nov 2017
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:10 am
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As someone who only ever watched the SAO anime, I gotta take all yawl word for it that the novels are actual well-written even if I have no interest in actually reading it. It’s just seeing stuff like Alice & Asuna getting into a jealous pissing match & an honest to God cat fight over a comatose man really makes me doubt it’s any better in the written verse.
But hey this web novel idea sounds interesting. I always do like a good going demon story.
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toprak
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:44 am
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I still didn't read the SAO novel, do you recommend it?
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