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Cardcaptor Takato
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 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:37 pm
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This goes to show that even if there was legitimate criticism, it's not worth it to get too involved in online fandom drama and that what goes on social media and YouTube is not reflective of consumers as a whole.
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kotomikun
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:20 pm
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Yep, turns out most people who liked Pokemon six months ago still like Pokemon. The controversy seems to have lessened, if anything, now that the games are actually out.
Partly, some things just weren't clear from advertising. Once you get to the first gym, it becomes obvious why mega evolutions were removed--Dynamaxing fills that niche, being sort of a cross between megas and Z-moves. And you can use it on anything, not just a few specific mons. Quite a lot of interesting experimental new stuff in these games. They even found a solution to the infamous "leftover starter Pokemon" problem... but maybe that's been done before, have skipped a few gens.
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CastMember1991
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:58 pm
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I'm actually having a lot of fun with these games. They're not Super Mario Odyssey-quality titles by any means, but if you're a Pokémon fan, you won't be disappointed. Hopefully the anime featuring Galar Pokémon (Scorbunny, etc.) makes it to the US sooner rather than later.
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Sethimothy
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:12 pm
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Imagine how many more games would have sold if over a quarter of player's favorite pocket monsters hadn't been removed.
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Hal14
Joined: 01 Apr 2018
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:16 pm
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| Sethimothy wrote: | | Imagine how many more games would have sold if over a quarter of player's favorite pocket monsters hadn't been removed. |
A negligible amount. Majority of consumers are likely new players who have no prior pokemon to transfer. Plus its selling 2 times better than Let's Go which also didn't allow transfers.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:44 pm
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| Sethimothy wrote: | | Imagine how many more games would have sold if over a quarter of player's favorite pocket monsters hadn't been removed. |
.....It sold 6 million copies even with the cuts that's a good number. I don't know why contrarians have made it seemed like the game shouldn't have sold that much simply because they took out 400 (old) Pokemon. If those people you mentioned were only going to buy the game exclusively on the basis of the National Dex those people aren't really fans.
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Aura Ichadora
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:45 pm
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I'm not too surprised by this. Yes, I am still disappointed in how many of the Pokemon were removed from the game, but the features added into the game have made up for it. While the graphics can be a bit odd - depending on how you end up angling while you're walking and moving around the Wild Areas, you can see the gridlines in the trees and such - they are miles above what I kinda expected. I love how much expression they've given to the MC and just the characters in general. So far I'm not very far and I can't tell who is the true "bad guy" of the story, which is something I liked from Sun/Moon. Dynamax is pretty darn fun still. Just, overall, I think it's a good game. Flawed in some regards, yeah, but good.
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CastMember1991
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:16 pm
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| Aura Ichadora wrote: | | I'm not too surprised by this. Yes, I am still disappointed in how many of the Pokemon were removed from the game, but the features added into the game have made up for it. While the graphics can be a bit odd - depending on how you end up angling while you're walking and moving around the Wild Areas, you can see the gridlines in the trees and such - they are miles above what I kinda expected. I love how much expression they've given to the MC and just the characters in general. So far I'm not very far and I can't tell who is the true "bad guy" of the story, which is something I liked from Sun/Moon. Dynamax is pretty darn fun still. Just, overall, I think it's a good game. Flawed in some regards, yeah, but good. |
I totally agree with you. On a side note, I bet you money Level-5 is scratching their heads seeing the success of Sword and Shield. Their so-called Pokémon killer, the once popular (in Asia) Yo-kai Watch - and yes, I know I've mentioned this topic so many times - has pretty much lost Japan at this point due to Yo-kai Watch 4 bombing, and this is the final nail in the coffin. There is no resurrecting Japan.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:40 pm
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| Sethimothy wrote: | | Imagine how many more games would have sold if over a quarter of player's favorite pocket monsters hadn't been removed. |
You also have to keep in mind the holidays are coming up soon and a lot of parents will be buying the game for their kids then so they'll get an even bigger boost from holiday sales.
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DavetheUsher
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:56 pm
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| kotomikun wrote: | | Partly, some things just weren't clear from advertising. Once you get to the first gym, it becomes obvious why mega evolutions were removed--Dynamaxing fills that niche, being sort of a cross between megas and Z-moves. And you can use it on anything, not just a few specific mons.. |
You're assuming Dyanmaxing isn't going to go away next generation like every other previous generation defining feature they've done. 
| HAL14 wrote: | | A negligible amount. Majority of consumers are likely new players who have no prior pokemon to transfer. Plus its selling 2 times better than Let's Go which also didn't allow transfers. |
Pretty much this. Pokemon is going hard for the Go audience these days. Most of the streamers on Twitch I've watched are people who haven't played the games since first gen. It sucks, but that's kinda what happens when a franchise gets too big for its own good and doesn't need the dedicated fans anymore.
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FlyGuySempai
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:36 pm
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I hope they take out the ability to Run & Fly next game and see the sales skyrocket. Gen Z are sheep.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:29 am
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| FlyGuySempai wrote: | | I hope they take out the ability to Run & Fly next game and see the sales skyrocket. Gen Z are sheep. |
Yeah how dare those people spend their hard earn money on games you don't think they should buy cause it doesn't have stuff you want in it.
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CastMember1991
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:35 am
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | You also have to keep in mind the holidays are coming up soon and a lot of parents will be buying the game for their kids then so they'll get an even bigger boost from holiday sales. |
Yep, it's that time of year again. I have a feeling that by the end of Christmas, Sword and Shield will overtake Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (or at least Smash Ultimate) as the best-selling game on the Switch. The UK is definitely helping with the success as well, seeing that Galar is based on Britain.
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#873796
Joined: 28 Jul 2017
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:03 pm
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| Sethimothy wrote: | | Imagine how many more games would have sold if over a quarter of player's favorite pocket monsters hadn't been removed. |
If anything the controversy probably served as a free advertisement and social awareness campaign that helped sales.
Most people will never come close to completing the national dex so the cuts are an extremely niche issue.
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AntiKuro
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:15 pm
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I don't think I've played since X and Y (I tried Sun and Moon briefly), and I started with the original on Game Boy. I'm... surprisingly enjoying it more then I thought I would. I was sketpical about the Dynamaxing. I thought it looked stupid as hell but I actually really enjoying seeing my Pokemon get huge.
I also really enjoying the camping feature, though I worry about the effects the spinning of the stick going to have on my controller when you are cooking.
The removal of a lot of older Pokemon also doesn't bother me. There over 800 PKM and they where going to have to do it at some point so it's not a surprise they did it when they moved to a console. It was actually one of the things that appealed to me because I got tired of seeing the same shit over, and over, and over again.
Alcremie going to kill me though. I want all the forms o___o
I do like some of the little gimmicks though, like the pokemon that can be in a counterfiet teapot. It's the small shit.
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