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Advent_Nebula
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I know it has been a few years since I last posted on here, but that digibro video really rubbed me the wrong way. Especially since I work for a YouTube content creator and been a big part of his convention coverage the past 20 months. On top of it, I do have a couple of friends that work in the industry in licensing and the Blu-ray and DVD production side. ( I will not give out who because I do not want to speak for them or cause them any issues.)
Anyway, Digibro showed in that video, especially with his Jojo's rant, how little he understands on licensing contracts. He also seems not to get that what crunchyroll gives us is not the final product, that comes with the Blu-ray and DVD releases. The subtitles most of the time reworked, and even with silmudubs, some redubbing is done before hit hits the retail market. Maybe if he actually took time to research this he would not advocate hurting the industry with piracy. [/list] Last edited by Advent_Nebula on Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Shiflan
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Great article, Justin!
I really like the fact that Crunchyroll licenses some "unpopular" content. Sure, there's a lot of stuff on there that I have zero interest in. But that's OK, because their decision to license a large number of lesser known shows means they are more likely to have obscure shows that I am be interested in. I think most anime fans probably have at least a few shows they like which aren't mainstream mega-hits. When streaming services (or retail stores) only have the big hits then that makes it frustratingly difficult to find the more obscure titles one likes. The obscure or "unpopular" content that Crunchyroll (et. al.) licenses may not appeal to everyone, but there are surely some fans who enjoy it. And the more of that content they have, the more likely they are to have the rare show that happens to be right up any specific viewer's alley. I'm sure a lot of older anime fans recall looking for anime back during the 90's: you'd go to a Blockbuster or whatever other store that had VHS tapes and you'd have your handful of choices: Sailor Moon, A-Ko, Tenchi Muyo, Akira, Ranma 1/2. Despite the mountain of anime in Japan, the only thing the west got was a handful of shows. Sure they were popular and I'm not putting those shows down, but once you had seen them and you thirsted for more you ran into a brick wall thanks to the very limited selection. Since then the anime explosion in the early 2000's made a lot more titles available. That's basically the same thing Crunchyroll seems to be doing. I don't agree with digibro's comments at all, because if Crunchyroll restricts themselves to just the "big hits" it's like taking a step backwards to the days of the 90's where the only choices were that handful of big titles. With the technological and logistical capabilities the internet has given us we should be moving FORWARD to having better accessibility, not the other way around. In fact, it irks me that now we have these great technological achievements like streaming video on portable devices, but in many ways we're still stuck in the era of the phonograph: Unless you have physical media it's entirely possible that you may never see a given show again. Shows disappear from streaming sites on a regular basis--that's a frustrating problem that's ironically a lot worse than buying tapes back in the day. |
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meiam
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Digibro is one of the few person I think actually increase there production from before to after getting on patreon, most people I followed seemed to drop there production output after they got a patreon, and some practically stopped making the content people liked (this guy, spoony, who was making video of game and obscure movie started doing wrestling stuff right after getting on patreon). So I don't think it would be a good idea...
At the same time a "donate straight to the anime studio" button would be nice on streaming service. Don't see why you couldn't do that. I do think anime production could use a good shakeup these days. I don't understand how half the stuff that get produce ends up getting greenlighted, both things I like and dislike. But at the same time I have a feeling version #387 of "guy get reincarnated into video game and get a bunch of slave girl" probably makes way more money than the interesting stuff, so maybe it's better it doesn't change much. |
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Ermat_46
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Let's admit it. Digibro made that video, precisely because of CR's humongous mis-step that is called "High Guardian Spice". And yes, I agree that Digibro knows nothing about the industry. But hey, the people who wants to sway people into pirating will use Digibro's argument anyway. I don't really have problem with people pirating, but they should just be quiet about it.
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The problem with Crunchyroll is instead of licensing more Anime or fixing bugs on their website/apps, they fund their own original "anime" High Spice Guardian which no-one asked for.
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Punch Drunk Marc
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This is pretty much my thoughts. Digi has good points sometimes (I pretty much agree with al his points about how bad SAO and Psycho Pass Season 2 are) but those two videos he did running down Crunchy to me just sounded like "I want what I want and the industry should cater to me". Not much (if any) research was done and it sounded like he had only a surface level understanding about licensing and the industry as a whole. |
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Koda89
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Digibro is a hack and each video he releases further cements how little he actually knows.
For example he recently made a video complaining about the quality of anime subtitles, which fair play to him there are some issues with subtitles, but he complains about them for the wrong reasons, such as where words are placed in the subtitles related to where he hears them being spoken in Japanese. It should be noted he doesn’t speak Japanese, so he doesn’t understand Japanese sentence structure, and is basically screaming at the clouds for no damn reason. Moral of the story is, don’t pay Digi any mind, he may occasionally stumble upon saying something smart or “right”, but when he does he almost assuredly isn’t the first or only person to be saying it, and many of these other people actually know what the god damn hell they are saying. |
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Ermat_46
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How about those studios who did in-betweening, backgrounds, finish animation, 2nd key animation, etc.? |
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your fly is down
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I mean for what its worth he keeps saying how he does "not" want to support the industry and then gives reasons like funding being diverted to anime he does not like and not liking any new anime in general.
I just think digi is the average cynical anime fan who does not like the fact that anime is becoming more popular, more easily available and just more in general and as a result dosent feel like supporting the system that is doing that. In response always talking about anime from the 70s and 80s because they are less known of and he enjoys them more. I can sympathise with the plight of anime changing from what it was when you found it to now and feeling sad but if you dont pay people to make anime then it wont be made. Digi can pay trigger directly but then trigger can do whatever they want with that money unlike if the money came in as a response to a show they made so trigger would make sure to please the audience rather than itself. In summary pay crunchyroll if you want anime and dont if you dont want anime but still watch it with a self loathing attitude. |
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Lord Oink
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More or less. CR wants to stop being 'the anime streaming site' and become the new general media streaming site by getting into American animation, which has people who actually use CR because they want to support the industry upset because now their money's going to be diverted elsewhere to places they don't want. Can't blame them. If I actually used CR I'd be upset too. Unlike this Digibro guy though, I prefer physical media and merchandise. Sounds like he wants his cake and to eat it too by saying "no'" to everything but Patreon. There's plenty of ways to support anime besides CR, but he seems to not like those either. Whatever then.
In my experience most people who do the whole 'internet persona' thing for a certain hobby generally know very little about said hobby compared to the average fan. Presumably because they have to spend most their time producing videos, reviews, skits, making sponsorship deals, etc, rather than, you know, actually watching anime, or playing video games. Saw a Yu-Gi-Oh video by that Mothers Basement guy and he clearly had no idea what he was talking about. |
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Iron Maw
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I don't care about HGS either, but no way it's gonna impact anything their are already doing. C.R. would have to be extremely poorly run for that to happen and if was the case they wouldn't be around today to even get to the point HGS could be made. This not either/or thing. The existence of HGS (which some people have definitely been claiming for) and budgets for fixes of operation issue are not mutual exclusive. They can both be done. People should know at least this much. Last edited by Iron Maw on Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:27 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Greed1914
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I'm sure that Crunchyroll, Funimation, and other companies feel like a good amount of their license fees went to waste afterwards, but it's unavoidable given the expectation that content will be available right now. Licensing ends up happening before most shows aired episode 1, so they can research ahead of time and analyze trends, but it's still a gamble.
Personally, I like that companies take risks because there are plenty of things that I like that I know were not popular. That doesn't diminish my enjoyment. If they weren't willing to take those chances, we'd see very little beyond major shonen hits. As much as I like Dragonball, it would be pretty disappointing if Funimation had stopped there. It's also fun to go to a convention and see a guest's face light up because at least somebody watched that show they worked on that wasn't even close to a hit. |
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alconnow
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I don’t see the problem with licensing lesser-known anime. In fact, thanks to Crunchyroll I discovered shows like Bonobono, Meow Meow Japanese History and Folktales from Japan. Some of us enjoy the lesser-known titles CR offers.
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aaa1e2r3
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Don't those studios get payed directly by the studio that outsources that work to them? |
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sailorsweeper
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This for me just Folktales From Japan that was great for showing the lesser known Tales and it was fun seeing the time when they went out with Budget.[/quote] |
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