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Aca Vuksa
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:10 am
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Jonny Mendes wrote: |
This is been looked as a means to have the workforce they need and don't have the problems that Europe have with integration of immigrants and families that are bringing out the worse kind of xenophobia that are appearing in European countries because of backlash against immigrants.
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Oh, i forgot something about it. I live in Serbia, an country located to an European region. Many of an European countries are having a lower birthrate in recent years. And since they can't increase their birthrates, they decide to open the gates to the large scale immigration from Africa and Middle East countries.
As you may know, Europe will no longer be an regional home to an white population, instead it will be inhabitated by an mixed-race European, 100% black and Arabs. White people are on the verge of extinctions, i also heard that on US that white population in the USA will be minorities too. I mean, whites are slowy dying out.
(sorry for my poor English)
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AJ (LordNikon)
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:15 am
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VORTIA wrote: | Japan has some of the world's strictest immigration laws. Marriage, like in most places, is a legitimate means of establishing legal residence, but most countries will generally prosecute fraudulent marriages conducted purely for the benefit of obtaining legal residence, which appears to be the case here. |
Actually, Japan's immigration laws are relatively lax. HOWEVER, the language barrier acts as a filter of sorts, which is why you generally see foreigners working McJobs at convenience stores or bars unless they're fluent in Japanese and have something to offer society. In this case as a "sex industry worker," the girl was likely a hostess at a cabaret club, or got busted for actual prostitution. |
Relatively lax?! News to me. As a nearly 70 year old Japanese citizen, I would argue Japan is one of the unquestionably one of the hardest in the world. My daughter, married her British husband 20 years ago, who still does not have citizenship. He has a PR status, but not citizenship, and had to spend his first ten years in the country under two source visas that were only good for five years each!
I have plenty of friends who are married and can not get beyond having to constantly renew their spouse visas, and can't clear the hurdles of getting PR. Japan is FAR from lax in regards to citizenship.
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:45 pm
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@Aca_Vuska, honestly, as a citizen of the USA, Japan has less priority and the space to event consider immigration. As someone who aims to want to reside in Japan, as @LordNikon has pointed out, it's a snowball's chance in hell for PR status, let alone citizenship, and even then, I'm not sure if "The Golden Rule" of "those who have the gold makes the rules" goes far.... but considering human greed I bet it's most appreciated (if you are rich, they see that as a boost to their Gross National Product and you get instant citizenship). There are minority residents in Japan, but they are self sustaining and they take up a bit of the precious real estate Japan lacks as it is.
Maybe I'm going off topic but a lot of want to migrate to Japan involves popular culture and otaku stardom, as well as creative freedom and the idea that Japan is a place with people who thrive that. There are, but that basis has not been communicated yet, let alone at all, to establish a social foundation to cultivate it, and it is all a place of hard work. Japan also isn't a magical place where you can waltz in and think life will unfold like an anime. I know that the US and Canada atm are very hard nosed places of half truths, hypocriscy, and a lot of broken dream self pitying defeatist ignorant crabs in a bucket who want everyone to mire in misery and "real life" because they love the attention, but Japan doesn't have the potential for grassroots entrepenuership, DIY determination and gradual mainstream breakthrough out of nothing that the US and Canada have. It also doesn't help that despite series like RWBY and Avatar that are overseas anime productions and a burgeoning Lolita fashion and cosplay community, extreme Japanese entertainment overseas fan purism (as well as public ignorance, especially in a place that preaches freedom and equality) likes to keep such goods as Japanese as possible and only made by Japan. I know that it seems that the mainstream rules over everything out here, but the reality is no one is actually attempting an effort to do things themselves, and that the mainstream corporations are losing public grip hard in terms of entertainment. Japan does have a greater and bigger industry in terms of animation and the creative arts, and especially in regards to what they can push out and are allowed to screen, but one cannot believe that such an environment doesn't have its strings and cons, and that one can only pursue doing that line of work and art by jetting over to Japan. There is a lot more than goes into doing art, let alone great art in Japan, than by just being a Japanese citizen and living there.
Don't think paradise is found, people. The grass isn't greener on the other side either. Just ask the star lady of the scoop. I know that right now, culturally the Western world is rife with supremacy and an lack of optimism and distaste for anything that isn't "realistic" enough, but nobody in history has ever liked those kinds of people in hindsight. A sign of the times, people.
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Aca Vuksa
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:02 pm
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Okay, i'll accept this condition. Meanwhile, South Korea has experienced its own migrant crisis. About 500+ Yemeni refugees are living in an South Korea resort island Jeju Island.
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Chester McCool
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:56 pm
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AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | Relatively lax?! News to me. As a nearly 70 year old Japanese citizen, I would argue Japan is one of the unquestionably one of the hardest in the world. My daughter, married her British husband 20 years ago, who still does not have citizenship. He has a PR status, but not citizenship, and had to spend his first ten years in the country under two source visas that were only good for five years each!
I have plenty of friends who are married and can not get beyond having to constantly renew their spouse visas, and can't clear the hurdles of getting PR. Japan is FAR from lax in regards to citizenship. |
Yeah, that post made me a bit confused. It's super hard to become a Japanese citizen (I've tried)
And something tells me Japanese citizens aren't in a rush to protest in the streets and demand that she get to stay or disrupt her deportation flight.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:33 pm
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Sheriru wrote: | Why is this News worthy? Just because some Girl faked Marriage? Has Japan nothing else to report? Is she famous? |
Apparently it wasn't, or it would have been under News. It is Interest-worthy, as evidenced by the number of responses.
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:04 pm
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Aca Vuksa wrote: | @TheAnimeRevolutionizer
Okay, i'll accept this condition. Meanwhile, South Korea has experienced its own migrant crisis. About 500+ Yemeni refugees are living in an South Korea resort island Jeju Island. |
South Korea has even less real estate than Japan. That's not even a debate anymore.
I feel incredibly awful for them, and I also blame the Embarassment to the United States Who Shall Not Be Named and his followers for the current social and cultural climate that has exacerbated an unwelcome and hand biting environment of tense airs and state of condition that deters any immigrants to the US.
What a world.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:52 pm
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I want to clarify the timeline of situation a bit since it seems it might not have been clear in the article?
Wong came to Japan legally as a student, given her age she was likely a college student. Her student visa was good until the end of 2016. Presumably she was working in Kabukcho while attending school. The article only identifies her as a "sex shop worker" so we can't say for sure exactly what she was doing, but presumably it was for a legal business. Certain kinds of sex work are legal in Japan, but she could honestly have worked anywhere from a cashier at store that rents pornographic DVDs, to a hostess bar, to a Soapland. The exact nature of her employment isn't detailed.
Her student visa was set to expire, but she wanted to stay in the country to, by her own words, cosplay and dress up in lolita clothes. So she and the man (Sasaki) came up with an arrangement to get her visa extended by faking a marriage, presumably they falsified some documents and submitted them.
The scam was discovered this year and both were arrested.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:14 pm
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Aca Vuksa wrote: | I know there is a one foreigner who works for the Pokemon based in Japan is James Turner, an graphic designer from UK works for The Game Freak, the video game company responsible for the Pokemon franchise. |
I think he gets to qualify under the category of skilled to the point that the company wouldn't be the same without him. He designed a few Pokémon, but he also programmed the radially-moving camera from Black and White and onward. The same goes for Lee Hyunjung, a Korean who also designs Pokémon (most notably the Shinx line) and the assocated human characters.
There's a similar story for Greg Werner, who initially got to live in Japan (and marry a Japanese woman) as an English teacher, then as a Japanese-to-English translator (his wife also works as a translator and specializes in the other direction), and is now a One Piece minutiae consultant at Shueisha.
TheAnimeRevolutionizer wrote: | @Aca_Vuska, honestly, as a citizen of the USA, Japan has less priority and the space to event consider immigration. As someone who aims to want to reside in Japan, as @LordNikon has pointed out, it's a snowball's chance in hell for PR status, let alone citizenship, and even then, I'm not sure if "The Golden Rule" of "those who have the gold makes the rules" goes far.... but considering human greed I bet it's most appreciated (if you are rich, they see that as a boost to their Gross National Product and you get instant citizenship). There are minority residents in Japan, but they are self sustaining and they take up a bit of the precious real estate Japan lacks as it is.
Maybe I'm going off topic but a lot of want to migrate to Japan involves popular culture and otaku stardom, as well as creative freedom and the idea that Japan is a place with people who thrive that. There are, but that basis has not been communicated yet, let alone at all, to establish a social foundation to cultivate it, and it is all a place of hard work. Japan also isn't a magical place where you can waltz in and think life will unfold like an anime. I know that the US and Canada atm are very hard nosed places of half truths, hypocriscy, and a lot of broken dream self pitying defeatist ignorant crabs in a bucket who want everyone to mire in misery and "real life" because they love the attention, but Japan doesn't have the potential for grassroots entrepenuership, DIY determination and gradual mainstream breakthrough out of nothing that the US and Canada have. It also doesn't help that despite series like RWBY and Avatar that are overseas anime productions and a burgeoning Lolita fashion and cosplay community, extreme Japanese entertainment overseas fan purism (as well as public ignorance, especially in a place that preaches freedom and equality) likes to keep such goods as Japanese as possible and only made by Japan. I know that it seems that the mainstream rules over everything out here, but the reality is no one is actually attempting an effort to do things themselves, and that the mainstream corporations are losing public grip hard in terms of entertainment. Japan does have a greater and bigger industry in terms of animation and the creative arts, and especially in regards to what they can push out and are allowed to screen, but one cannot believe that such an environment doesn't have its strings and cons, and that one can only pursue doing that line of work and art by jetting over to Japan. There is a lot more than goes into doing art, let alone great art in Japan, than by just being a Japanese citizen and living there.
Don't think paradise is found, people. The grass isn't greener on the other side either. Just ask the star lady of the scoop. I know that right now, culturally the Western world is rife with supremacy and an lack of optimism and distaste for anything that isn't "realistic" enough, but nobody in history has ever liked those kinds of people in hindsight. A sign of the times, people. |
Wow. I'm actually quite impressed. You're someone who wants to go to Japan but has done the research in what it actually takes to live there, and a LOT of it by the looks of things. For the most part, I see people who really get into anime. manga, and Japanese video games and want to live in Japan because they think it's going to be an anime/manga paradise where everyone is as big of a fan as they are.
Even here, I see some certain people (won't name names) who treat Japan as a utopia and the envy of the world in all aspects. Me, I'm sure Japan is great in some ways, but it isn't perfect.
octopodpie wrote: | I want to clarify the timeline of situation a bit since it seems it might not have been clear in the article?
Wong came to Japan legally as a student, given her age she was likely a college student. Her student visa was good until the end of 2016. Presumably she was working in Kabukcho while attending school. The article only identifies her as a "sex shop worker" so we can't say for sure exactly what she was doing, but presumably it was for a legal business. Certain kinds of sex work are legal in Japan, but she could honestly have worked anywhere from a cashier at store that rents pornographic DVDs, to a hostess bar, to a Soapland. The exact nature of her employment isn't detailed.
Her student visa was set to expire, but she wanted to stay in the country to, by her own words, cosplay and dress up in lolita clothes. So she and the man (Sasaki) came up with an arrangement to get her visa extended by faking a marriage, presumably they falsified some documents and submitted them.
The scam was discovered this year and both were arrested. |
Thanks. That makes things a lot clearer. I was pretty confused reading the article, and I wasn't sure of the reasoning behind it. Maybe it was my state of mind (I was pretty sleepy), but it sounded like a series of unconnected events around one person that ended with her getting arrested.
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:55 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | Wow. I'm actually quite impressed. You're someone who wants to go to Japan but has done the research in what it actually takes to live there, and a LOT of it by the looks of things. For the most part, I see people who really get into anime. manga, and Japanese video games and want to live in Japan because they think it's going to be an anime/manga paradise where everyone is as big of a fan as they are.
Even here, I see some certain people (won't name names) who treat Japan as a utopia and the envy of the world in all aspects. Me, I'm sure Japan is great in some ways, but it isn't perfect. |
I'm not grouchy and biting and abrasive here for nothing :V But yeah, knowing is half the battle. Kidding aside, you can thank those peers of mine back in my day for making me feel embarrassed about that, but I was that dedicated and that persistent to want to know the truth. I still have my passion and devotion, and I feel ever better for having sought it.
Also something I need to take back and chew on a bit more:
TheAnimeRevolutionizer wrote: | but Japan doesn't have the potential for grassroots entrepenuership, DIY determination and gradual mainstream breakthrough out of nothing that the US and Canada have |
I have to take this back because honestly how do new businesses start in modern day Japan if this is not encouraged. Total self worn logic bomb. Japan has a very large ratio of inventors, artisans, and new businesses rise (and fall) each and everyday, and there are just as many salarymen as there are everyday working Ichiros. ZUN of Touhou and Daisuke Ishiwatari of Guilty Gear just came to mind. Still, they had to go through the motions of hard work through full time jobs and post job work just to even get where they are, and it's a lot more intense. Then there's the gamble of it thriving once it releases, and that's always a "fun" time.
Still, there is major economic standstill worldwide, something that strikes fear in just about anyone economy ultra dependent these days. And I also wouldn't count on loans unless you were really either lucky or showed extreme promise in your financial plans that you'd make back the money if you weren't ethnically Japanese (it helps if you are a permanent resident or naturalized citizen, but you know). Granted I wouldn't go opening a loan in the deep south if I was black, but racism and discrimination is pretty much against the law here in the US. Good luck with that in Japan.
All in all, if you want to live in Japan that badly, you'd best bring your best, and a drive and love for the country that really changes things for the better. Anything less than that.... well, it's on the front page. If so, just visit or stay the maximum five years legally, once or rinse and repeat. It's not worth getting permanently banished from the nation.
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CandisWhite
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:37 pm
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Aca Vuksa wrote: | Hey there, i wonder how Japan will ever start accepting immigrants? There are some people who loves anime/manga and video games fans who wants to live and work in Japan, because Japan has a population declining in recent years. Japan's government should lets immigrants who are obessed with Japanese culture, why Japan wants to keep their country as a homogeneous for no reasons. |
I certainly don't agree with the cultural aspect of Japan freezing out immigrants but this girl had no leg to stand on. She didn't even have the brains to at least fake being in a genuine marriage (Thank God for that). I'm from Canada (as was she), where we love immigration, and this girl would have been cut out just as much if the countries in the scenario were reversed.
Japan is a country, not an amusement park. A person who moves there should be there because they love the land & its people and want to build an actual life there.
You do not build a solid country by having either a lax stance about immigrants (which leads to lack of opportunity, independence, integration, and life satisfaction) or a rock hard one against them (which leads to the very same things).
I do not see a great sample of Canadian citizenry coming back; I see a flake who wasted her time and that of the country she went to. I just hope that whatever she studied in Japan can help her get gainful employment here.
Sidenote: I hit my mother up, who has worked with immigrants for decades, and asked her if she would hire, or even re-hire, such a person and the answer was a resounding (and snorting) "No."
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Agent355
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:12 pm
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Most people from North America who want to stay in Japan after their student visas run out just take a job teaching English at a recreation center or a cram school with lax standards. This was an expensive, stupid plan. I feel kind of sorry for her. Hope she's able to reinvent herself back in Canada, and one day this will just be a bad memory.
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Agent355
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:13 pm
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Most people from North America who want to stay in Japan after their student visas run out just take a job teaching English at a recreation center or a cram school with lax standards. This was an expensive, stupid plan. I feel kind of sorry for her. Hope she's able to reinvent herself back in Canada, and one day this will just be a bad memory.
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