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Hershey's
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People have been shitting on A-1 since they did Persona Trinity Soul and even before SAO they were behind garbage like Valkyria Chronicles, Fairy Tail, Night Raid, Black Butler, Fractale, Anohana and Togainu no Chi which was so bad and poorly produced that they cancelled the singles released of the 6 volume DVDs and opted for one cheap boxset instead.
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Hershey's
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SSY felt like a production in which they had to make lemons into lemonade hence why you got a lot of weird shit throughout to mask the production issues it had (One episode ended with Maria being interviewed that looks straight out of a JAV) that made it very artsey as compensation. I say its a mess not as a bad thing because the visuals were the most striking thing about SSY in how it changed every single episode from being really bad to almost avant garde. |
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vonPeterhof
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If you're going to invoke a person's death in your crusade, at the very least try to get details like their job title right. Considering that it's the production assistant's job to wrangle all those freelance animators against tight deadlines, who knows, getting that detail right might have actually strengthened your argument. (You're welcome.)
Are you sure you're not projecting a little there? Because your posts seem to be underpinned by the impression that "off-model animation" necessarily means "bad animation". At the very least, that's my best guess for what your problem with the second piece of animation you linked to was. (Speaking of which, I have no idea what's supposed to be so obviously wrong with the first one. Is it that the robots are smaller and less detailed when seen from a distance? Or that they're sliding instead of running? Could you elaborate?) Incidentally, here's a good example of what might happen when a production team with very limited resources tries to prioritize staying on model above all else. Enjoy the (barely) moving cardboard cutouts! |
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Chrono1000
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Hershey's
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Be it an animator or a production assistant doesn't change the fact that someone in the line of production died while working on a show which is a blemish to their own repuatation and the fact that you continue to defend them is quite discerning in itself.
All I'm getting from your posts is that its not easy being blind.
Hilariously enough the first webm with the sliding robots is as well animated as the one from Dynamic Cord at the very least THAT show had production problems what's DARLING's excuse? |
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Hershey's
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Kuma Miko was just poorly received due to its ending which upset a lot of people, the rest of the show looked fine and it was doing relatively well up until the last episode where it dropped like a rock. Togainu was a complete disaster from an animation standpoint with episodes that were clearly not finished making it do air made it poorly received amongst fans.
All three of those shows weren't well produced especially Black Butler which had QUALITY out the ying yang. I'm not sure why people keep saying that SAO was well priduced when there's video compilations of all its animation hiccups for years now since SAO is a target for everything wrong with anime according the normies. |
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killjoy_the
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So I'm gonna cut in and ignore all this very interesting talk about other anime and just say that unless episode 3 actually explains how 02 is killing men with her robot-slash-sexual-metaphor I probably will drop this.
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vonPeterhof
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Classy. Also, “posts”? What other posts do you have in mind? Feel free to wade through my archives, I’ll wait (Not really, no, I’m going to bed now)
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青白
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Like, can you be anymore hateful than this? Anohana was not trash by a long shot, and everybody on the internet would agree with this, except of you. |
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Hershey's
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Hyperbole much? A lot of people trashed Anohana, its an Okada show for pete's sake. Just because you were suckered in to the sappy story doesn't mean everyone else was. |
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relyat08
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The second part is not something you should be blaming them for and the first part is simply ignorance. Not trying to be confrontational, but thinking their works, in general, are poorly animated is born simply out of not understanding animation.
It's not a bold claim. Anyone who studies animation will tell you the same. (Fun fact, as of a couple of months ago, I got paid to analyze animation, so I'm technically a professional animation critic. )
Than you'd be wrong, because, across the industry, they are considered as such, and throughout the animation community they are as well. I'll also add Welcome to the Space Show, which I somehow forgot off the top of my head. An incredibly rich and fluidly animated film, created through a sponsorship between Aniplex, A-1 and a few other companies to train and help young animators cut their teeth(cause they are so soulless, amiright?).
A-1 has several key teams of freelancers that they hire on a regular basis, usually brought together by a specific director, Kyouhei Ishiguro(occultic;nine and Your Lie In April) has his favorite team, and generally puts out very strong content, Tomohiko Ito(SAO, Erased) is another key director, and Atsushi Nishigori(Idolmaster and yes, Darling) is another. Other staff members are important and show up consistently across their projects as well. This industry is heavily based on personal friendships and connections, so it doesn't really matter if someone is a freelancer or not. They go to work for their friends whenever they have a chance. Over the years A-1 has been a MASSIVE magnet for projects like this, with animators coming together to make their dream projects. Fate Apocrypha, headed up by some young guys who are all good friends, might prove to be another "team" within the A-1 wheel-house, with their digital animation approach and more free-form style. A-1, ironically, is perhaps responsible for some of the least factory-like productions in the industry because of their freelance nature. Friends come together on a consistent basis to make shows together and that freelance nature actually facilitates it! Oh, and that was a production assistant who died, not an animator.(Edit: I just read vonpeterhof's comment, so I know you saw this. No need to respond.)
I'm not sure what Toei has to do with this, but you're just making stuff up now. A-1 has made bad looking shows before, but, for example, everything they're making this season is of at least decent quality, with Darling and Slow Start being potentially the best looking shows of the season.
I've read enough interviews and spoken with enough animators and directors personally to guarantee my statements.
No, you could not say that Black Clover is a well-produced show based on the booru because it only has like 18 clips uploaded across 15 episodes. Did you miss my point the first time? Also, as a visual production, Black Clover is not that bad. You've already proven that you don't know what good animation looks like, but now you're doing that thing where you confuse an animation studio for a scriptwriter again.
There is no bad animation there. The mecha are driving across the ground. That's a function of their movement. And that second clip is quite good. Very expressive and strong character acting that any animator should be proud of. As for DBS, Naruto, and Black Clover, you are once again completely failing to grasp the point. 3-4 clips for a SINGLE EPISODE, is generally a sign of a strong episode. Nowhere did I say this referred to an entire show, and a show that is hundreds of episodes long having a couple hundred clips does not make said show inherently strong. Naruto actually is an incredibly rich production though. It is the pinnacle of inconsistency, so I understand why many rag on it, but it has dozens of extremely strong episodes across its length.
I think you screwed up your "comeback". lol The difference is that I've spoken to animators, read animation critics, kept up to date with the sakuga reactions, and studied the animation myself. You definitely have not. Simply attempting to negate what I say without any evidence does not somehow make you right. |
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Key
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This is straying very off-topic, guys n' gals. Bring it back to relevancy to Darling in the FRANXX or this line of conversation will be ended.
And Hershey, if all you're going to do is exercise some mad-on vendetta against A-1 (for reasons I can't fathom), take it somewhere else. Although you have some fair points, some of your examples of supposed badness are so outlandish that it's hard to take you seriously. |
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bemused Bohemian
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Sexual innuendo or no I'm really diggin' this show. Actually, if it wasn't for the subliminal "damn, she's got a fine ass" messages percolating thru my head when every team is on board I would find these team exercises as just another trite training scenario anime often uses to get an audience interested in the characters before battle.
Keep it up, Trigger....my interest sure is piqued. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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There are no analogies between the 2 shows, only 2 or 3 stylistic shots that reference a 23 year old anime.
As I understand it 02 can be read in japanese as "demon" which is what the horn girl character is. A demon. It's a play on words that is lost in the various foreign translations. But don't try to see something that just isn't there. And to say 02 is an amalgam of Asuka, Rei and Mari is bullshit. 02 has nothing in common with those 3 characters. She's not in some kind of passive aggressive relationship with the male character, she's not some kind of mother figure for the male character. So where are you getting those silly ideas of her being an amalgam of all the female characters in evangelion ? Hiro is not Shinji. He's not running away, he's not a pussy, he wants to do but can't. Which is the diametrical opposite of stupid-shinji. Who's always running away but brought back to do what he doesn't want to do. As for the secret societies etc... for pete's sake they've been standard element in the mecha genre before you were even born (I bet on it).
Fafner says hello. But no one in their right minds would say Fafner is an Evangelion clone/analogy. You're still trying to see things THAT AREN'T THERE.
The original Fafner made a lot of references to Evangelion yet it is in no way shape or form an Eva clone. So your point being what ? That some shots somehow imply Trigger and A-1 are going to copy the whole Eva cookbook ? We're 2 episodes in and nothing beyond those 2 shots in any way shape or form screems EVA CLONE. Stop projecting your ideas that aren't supported by facts.
What FranXX is doing feels nothing like Evangelion. How can someone say the contrary when the characters don't share ANY DAMN TRAITS to those of Evangelion ?
FranXX doesn't want the audience to make those comparisons that's you again projecting things that aren't there. Making some references to an almost quarter or century old anime doesn't imply analogy in terms of story or characters. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Subliminal? Good lord, what would overt look like to you? |
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