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Shay Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:07 pm Reply with quote
harminia wrote:
Last volume of Naruto was released in 2015. That may have been it?


Doubtful. It was "only" 1.3 million, and the only non-side-story Naruto volume on a chart. The previous year had four volumes selling 900K-1.1M.

Here's a summary of the top 100 for the past five years:

Code:
Year  Top 100      1-50      51-100   % of top  Volumes  Volumes
                                      100 com-  selling  selling
                                      posed of  >1M      >500K
                                      top 50
2012 67,415,151 45,305,450 22,109,701 67.2%     12       55
2013 82,063,784 56,750,680 25,313,104 69.2%     23       74
2014 74,616,986 47,894,729 26,722,257 64.2%     10       91
2015 79,471,080 53,819,133 25,651,947 67.7%     11       75
2016 72,651,632 49,180,686 23,470,946 67.7%     11       61


So there were actually more volumes in the 500,000-1,000,000 range in 2014 than 2013. (All of Attack on Titan's volumes were over 1.2 million in 2013. Volumes 10, 11, and No Regrets #1 were in the 500K-1M range in 2014.) The difference there comes from a whole bunch of series. Tokyo Ghoul, Seven Deadly Sins, Yo-kai Watch, Fairy Tail, pretty much all of Haikyu, Today I'm Taking the Day Off, older Titan volumes...

I'm having trouble extrapolating any kind of broad trends in here.

(For the curious, a typical ranking-to-sales function seems to be something like y=3000000*x^-.427. Lots of noise in those lines, though.)

Kadmos1 wrote:
It is safe to assume that when "Naruto" and "Bleach" ended, a lot of readership went down since those and OP were pretty much the flagship WSJ titles.


Bleach was in the toilet in the magazine rankings and hadn't had a volume break 700K since 2012. The last few didn't even reach 500K.

Sailor Sedna wrote:
Frankly I'm probably the only one who hates the big rise in technology sometimes...whatever happened to people reading from actual paper books instead of on a computer/device/any piece of technology? Mad

I dunno, maybe it's just me considering I came out before and I don't have, can't afford, and don't like the ideas of using digital stuff like phones to do things you could just do without using those things... Sad


For my own part? Give me dead-tree books any day. Especially since I do most of my book-reading on the one day out of seven I don't use electronics.

I wouldn't much fancy buying 300 pages of newsprint on a weekly basis, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:52 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
GATSU wrote:
And yet, strangely enough, I still see actual physical newspapers being delivered to my neighbors' houses in America.


While newspapers sales are on the decline to the point some papers are printing less (if at all) its not to where the whole industry is in that state....though who can say where things will be in the next 20-30 years.

I am grimly pessimistic.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:25 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
And yet, strangely enough, I still see actual physical newspapers being delivered to my neighbors' houses in America.


Well, what else are people going to line their rabbit hutches and hamster cages with?

Greed1914 wrote:
Interesting to read that the shift in readership is part of Shonen Jump anime going toward a seasonal approach. I can't say I mind that from a structure perspective.


That's what I've been hoping they'd do for a long time. It'd eliminate a lot of filler and give the team time to think and plan out what they'll do with their next batch of episodes. Filler episodes (and the padding you find in shows like One Piece) are a remnant of a year-round structure that should've been obsolete long ago. It can work with soap operas because episodes can be created quickly and cheaply with equipment on hand. Anime cannot be made quite as quickly or cheaply.

Ushio wrote:

Except doing seasons has always lead to a much faster decline than continuous airing does.


How so? Shows like Attack on Titan and My Hero Academia are doing quite well under this system, as is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure due to its divisions into numbered parts.

Should The Promised Neverland be adapted into an anime (and I feel it's a matter of not if, but when), its narrative structure will lend itself perfectly to a season structure too.

BodaciousSpacePirate wrote:
On a personal note, I used to be really into US superhero comics, and at one point was buying 8-10 every month. In hindsight, I wish I had bought them in trade paperback instead of collecting the individual issues. That way, instead of sitting in a bunch of boxes that I haven't opened for years, they could be sitting on my shelves.


Well, on the bright side, you'll be able to sell them for higher than the collected publications. Collectors are interested almost exclusively in the individual issues.

jsevakis wrote:
Not true! Oricon re-incorporated in 1999 but they've been around since 1967 as Original Confidence Inc.


Oh, that's what Oricon stands for!

harminia wrote:
Shay Guy wrote:
not sure about 2015.


Last volume of Naruto was released in 2015. That may have been it?


Yeah, that's a better guess than mine of the debut of Black Clover. Apparently, it's neither of these though. Nevertheless, the end of Naruto seems to have created a general revisit to the magazine as people who stopped reading the manga in it may have decided to read some of it again when they heard Naruto was ending.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:55 pm Reply with quote
Not surprising seeing as the continuing reduction in birth rate in Japan is catching up to interest and sales. One can not sell to customers that simply don't exist as the older one's grow up, move on, lose interest, or simply die off. One thing that I wonder is if these magazines go under how will publishers know what series, or one-off is going to be great, or tank if there are no voter cards to send feedback on in digital platforms?
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:04 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Not surprising seeing as the continuing reduction in birth rate in Japan is catching up to interest and sales. One can not sell to customers that simply don't exist as the older one's grow up, move on, lose interest, or simply die off. One thing that I wonder is if these magazines go under how will publishers know what series, or one-off is going to be great, or tank if there are no voter cards to send feedback on in digital platforms?


I don't know how Shueisha does it, but Viz's Shonen Jump, which is purely digital, DOES have online surveys for every issue for readers to fill out if they want to rank the series in the magazine.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:20 am Reply with quote
SkerllyF wrote:

But honestly, I still think of two things:
1- MHA needs some anime-original content, and I'm more than sure that Horikoshi, or some of the anime writers will provide something in the end. Don't tell me that the lenght of the arcs in the manga if fine, because other people will tell you that each arc is still missing development in some areas.


No, it doesn't need any filler, why would you want that crap? The length of the arcs in the manga is fine and the seasonal approach is the best thing that could've ever happened to adaptations, if the anime catches up to the manga, then they can wait until there's enough material to adapt. And about the development part, you can basically say that about every manga ever, please. Not only do these seasonal adaptations avoid terrible filler, but they're more consistent animation wise.

I'm so happy that the long running approach is dying, because it honestly brings nothing positive to the adaptation. I recently got into One Piece, the manga. After a few weeks I stumbled upon a clip from the anime that adapted an earlier part of the manga and boy does the animation look like garbage. There are great long running adaptations like Yu Yu Hakusho, which keep it short and actually improve the manga, instead of having 200 episodes of filler, but that was from 1992, then you have Hunter x Hunter 2011 which had a lot of chapters ready to be adapted and it lead to one of the best adaptations ever for a long running shounen manga. You got angry because of AOT and Blue exorcist, but those 2 are monthly publications, it takes much longer for there to be enough source material for more anime seasons, it's completely different from weekly manga and not the best example.

And then you go on about how series never have an ending and always tease you to read the source material and how that wasn't a thing in the 80s-90s. That is not true, just because you watched a few anime from that time period that had conclusions that doesn't mean that there aren't 10 times more anime that also end on a cliffhanger or don't end at all, like it is nowadays. This is the reality of anime, you either take it or find a different medium to enjoy. Or you could go read the manga or light novel that the anime is based off of, how hard can that be? Anime adaptations have always been and always will be advertisements for their source material.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:29 pm Reply with quote
Thorfinn wrote:

No, it doesn't need any filler, why would you want that crap? The length of the arcs in the manga is fine and the seasonal approach is the best thing that could've ever happened to adaptations, if the anime catches up to the manga, then they can wait until there's enough material to adapt. And about the development part, you can basically say that about every manga ever, please. Not only do these seasonal adaptations avoid terrible filler, but they're more consistent animation wise.

I'm so happy that the long running approach is dying, because it honestly brings nothing positive to the adaptation. I recently got into One Piece, the manga. After a few weeks I stumbled upon a clip from the anime that adapted an earlier part of the manga and boy does the animation look like garbage. There are great long running adaptations like Yu Yu Hakusho, which keep it short and actually improve the manga, instead of having 200 episodes of filler, but that was from 1992, then you have Hunter x Hunter 2011 which had a lot of chapters ready to be adapted and it lead to one of the best adaptations ever for a long running shounen manga. You got angry because of AOT and Blue exorcist, but those 2 are monthly publications, it takes much longer for there to be enough source material for more anime seasons, it's completely different from weekly manga and not the best example.

And then you go on about how series never have an ending and always tease you to read the source material and how that wasn't a thing in the 80s-90s. That is not true, just because you watched a few anime from that time period that had conclusions that doesn't mean that there aren't 10 times more anime that also end on a cliffhanger or don't end at all, like it is nowadays. This is the reality of anime, you either take it or find a different medium to enjoy. Or you could go read the manga or light novel that the anime is based off of, how hard can that be? Anime adaptations have always been and always will be advertisements for their source material.


I couldn't agree with you more--I think that them moving onto seasons is going to improve a lot of manga adaptations by freeing them from filler and padding. When people would complain a lot about filler arcs, I always felt that should've been the solution: Take breaks from the anime and let the manga pull ahead.

By the way, later on One Piece's anime will move from filler arcs to just padding out every episode so each of them covers only one chapter, or even half a chapter, of the manga. You'll have garbage-looking animation AND a snail's pace. There was one episode in which half of its running time was just reaction shots, for instance. In the manga, you had a bunch of reaction shot panels, but the clowns at Toei decided they'd give a reaction shot to each and every bystander.

Granted, they're getting better at this (and they excel at padding out comedic moments), but if One Piece ever got into a seasons system, I think every fan watching the anime will be thankful for that. I don't know if the kids it's aimed at would take too well to it though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:19 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:

By the way, later on One Piece's anime will move from filler arcs to just padding out every episode so each of them covers only one chapter, or even half a chapter, of the manga. You'll have garbage-looking animation AND a snail's pace. There was one episode in which half of its running time was just reaction shots, for instance. In the manga, you had a bunch of reaction shot panels, but the clowns at Toei decided they'd give a reaction shot to each and every bystander.

Granted, they're getting better at this (and they excel at padding out comedic moments), but if One Piece ever got into a seasons system, I think every fan watching the anime will be thankful for that. I don't know if the kids it's aimed at would take too well to it though.


It's a shame to see how poorly One Piece is being treated by Toei, but it's exactly what you'd expect from these guys. They have no respect for anything and to make things worse they can get away with it because they make so much money from their big IP's. One Piece should be brilliant as an anime, but the crap animation and poor pacing form later on ruin everything. If only there'd be a remake that ran in parallel with the TV anime, done by a more competent studio(Bones) or a better staff. Even if One Piece gets a remake, it will probably from Toei, but that'll be from far ahead in the future so maybe things will be different then Razz.
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