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Shay Guy
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Doubtful. It was "only" 1.3 million, and the only non-side-story Naruto volume on a chart. The previous year had four volumes selling 900K-1.1M. Here's a summary of the top 100 for the past five years:
So there were actually more volumes in the 500,000-1,000,000 range in 2014 than 2013. (All of Attack on Titan's volumes were over 1.2 million in 2013. Volumes 10, 11, and No Regrets #1 were in the 500K-1M range in 2014.) The difference there comes from a whole bunch of series. Tokyo Ghoul, Seven Deadly Sins, Yo-kai Watch, Fairy Tail, pretty much all of Haikyu, Today I'm Taking the Day Off, older Titan volumes... I'm having trouble extrapolating any kind of broad trends in here. (For the curious, a typical ranking-to-sales function seems to be something like y=3000000*x^-.427. Lots of noise in those lines, though.)
Bleach was in the toilet in the magazine rankings and hadn't had a volume break 700K since 2012. The last few didn't even reach 500K.
For my own part? Give me dead-tree books any day. Especially since I do most of my book-reading on the one day out of seven I don't use electronics. I wouldn't much fancy buying 300 pages of newsprint on a weekly basis, though. |
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nobahn
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I am grimly pessimistic. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Well, what else are people going to line their rabbit hutches and hamster cages with?
That's what I've been hoping they'd do for a long time. It'd eliminate a lot of filler and give the team time to think and plan out what they'll do with their next batch of episodes. Filler episodes (and the padding you find in shows like One Piece) are a remnant of a year-round structure that should've been obsolete long ago. It can work with soap operas because episodes can be created quickly and cheaply with equipment on hand. Anime cannot be made quite as quickly or cheaply.
How so? Shows like Attack on Titan and My Hero Academia are doing quite well under this system, as is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure due to its divisions into numbered parts. Should The Promised Neverland be adapted into an anime (and I feel it's a matter of not if, but when), its narrative structure will lend itself perfectly to a season structure too.
Well, on the bright side, you'll be able to sell them for higher than the collected publications. Collectors are interested almost exclusively in the individual issues.
Oh, that's what Oricon stands for!
Yeah, that's a better guess than mine of the debut of Black Clover. Apparently, it's neither of these though. Nevertheless, the end of Naruto seems to have created a general revisit to the magazine as people who stopped reading the manga in it may have decided to read some of it again when they heard Naruto was ending. |
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Mohawk52
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Not surprising seeing as the continuing reduction in birth rate in Japan is catching up to interest and sales. One can not sell to customers that simply don't exist as the older one's grow up, move on, lose interest, or simply die off. One thing that I wonder is if these magazines go under how will publishers know what series, or one-off is going to be great, or tank if there are no voter cards to send feedback on in digital platforms?
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leafy sea dragon
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I don't know how Shueisha does it, but Viz's Shonen Jump, which is purely digital, DOES have online surveys for every issue for readers to fill out if they want to rank the series in the magazine. |
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Thorfinn
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No, it doesn't need any filler, why would you want that crap? The length of the arcs in the manga is fine and the seasonal approach is the best thing that could've ever happened to adaptations, if the anime catches up to the manga, then they can wait until there's enough material to adapt. And about the development part, you can basically say that about every manga ever, please. Not only do these seasonal adaptations avoid terrible filler, but they're more consistent animation wise. I'm so happy that the long running approach is dying, because it honestly brings nothing positive to the adaptation. I recently got into One Piece, the manga. After a few weeks I stumbled upon a clip from the anime that adapted an earlier part of the manga and boy does the animation look like garbage. There are great long running adaptations like Yu Yu Hakusho, which keep it short and actually improve the manga, instead of having 200 episodes of filler, but that was from 1992, then you have Hunter x Hunter 2011 which had a lot of chapters ready to be adapted and it lead to one of the best adaptations ever for a long running shounen manga. You got angry because of AOT and Blue exorcist, but those 2 are monthly publications, it takes much longer for there to be enough source material for more anime seasons, it's completely different from weekly manga and not the best example. And then you go on about how series never have an ending and always tease you to read the source material and how that wasn't a thing in the 80s-90s. That is not true, just because you watched a few anime from that time period that had conclusions that doesn't mean that there aren't 10 times more anime that also end on a cliffhanger or don't end at all, like it is nowadays. This is the reality of anime, you either take it or find a different medium to enjoy. Or you could go read the manga or light novel that the anime is based off of, how hard can that be? Anime adaptations have always been and always will be advertisements for their source material. |
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leafy sea dragon
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I couldn't agree with you more--I think that them moving onto seasons is going to improve a lot of manga adaptations by freeing them from filler and padding. When people would complain a lot about filler arcs, I always felt that should've been the solution: Take breaks from the anime and let the manga pull ahead. By the way, later on One Piece's anime will move from filler arcs to just padding out every episode so each of them covers only one chapter, or even half a chapter, of the manga. You'll have garbage-looking animation AND a snail's pace. There was one episode in which half of its running time was just reaction shots, for instance. In the manga, you had a bunch of reaction shot panels, but the clowns at Toei decided they'd give a reaction shot to each and every bystander. Granted, they're getting better at this (and they excel at padding out comedic moments), but if One Piece ever got into a seasons system, I think every fan watching the anime will be thankful for that. I don't know if the kids it's aimed at would take too well to it though. |
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Thorfinn
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It's a shame to see how poorly One Piece is being treated by Toei, but it's exactly what you'd expect from these guys. They have no respect for anything and to make things worse they can get away with it because they make so much money from their big IP's. One Piece should be brilliant as an anime, but the crap animation and poor pacing form later on ruin everything. If only there'd be a remake that ran in parallel with the TV anime, done by a more competent studio(Bones) or a better staff. Even if One Piece gets a remake, it will probably from Toei, but that'll be from far ahead in the future so maybe things will be different then . |
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