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Flare-kun
Joined: 26 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:19 am
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Ugh, why is it that in these situations, people are so quick to blame some outside cause and ignore reality. The boy may have been inspired by Death Note, but that's merely his present fascination, an outlet for his antisocial behavior. This is clearly a troubled child who should speak with a professional. I'm sure it's not easy for parents to accept that their child has issues. But ignoring the truth right in front of them will only lead to further incidents down the line.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:04 am
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Death Note merely popularized a thing some people did already. There probably have been murder and death lists for centuries now.
Young children have been given free range over the internet. I have seen small kids using I-Pads, tablets and smart phones. If you let your children use these devices, you are giving them free access to visit the deepest pits of hell and the darkest shadows of humanity. In many cases these devices have been given to the children as place holders for their parent's attention. It really is no different than letting your kid walk through the red light district.
I really don't see anything changing in that regard. Even if parents severely restricted their kids access to these devices, you can bet there are plenty of kids at school that are thoroughly versed in internet pornography. Then, there is also slenderman waiting for them too. HBO had an interesting documentary on the attempted murder case.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:27 am
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#815349 wrote: |
Doesn't matter if it's a "Death Note", a magic wand, plastic guns or whatever, the toy doesn't matter, what is disturbing is the fact that kids at young ages seemingly have no concept on the value of life and are already thinking of taking other peoples' lives for their own selfish reasons. |
Neither do adults but unlike the kids they can't be excused for ignorance.
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Lady Multi
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:57 am
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I remember when I was little I was taught the difference between fiction and non-fiction; I knew that everything on the TV that wasn't news was fake and not real; that it was just a thing to enjoy. Result of that I could watch pretty much anything I wanted.
I was watching horror movies and the like when I was little. All I ended up with was a warped sense of humor. (I blame Tales from the Crypt for that, I loved the Crypt Keeper, creepy puppet and all).
So really, its not really the TV or the Show's fault its being taught the logic of fact/fiction of the TV; a thing a lot of people seem to be missing the time to do all considering.
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leafy sea dragon
Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:25 am
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SailorPluto1313 wrote: | It's really sad that a majority of the cases deal with elementary and middle schoolers. I understand that everyone has their own rules as to what their children can watch, which is becoming increasingly harder now that many kids have access to the internet on tablets, phones, and game consoles, but Death Note is clearly not a show for young children.
In my humble opinion, if a parent wants to let their children watch something that may not have been created for children, at least explain to children what your standards are and what is not okay in your household (I understand everyone has different rules) and in this case, that it is not okay to create a "death note" whether in playing or not. |
Unfortunately, as you mentioned yourself, it's become harder and harder for parents to keep track of what their kids are consuming. That being said, a kid who's so bold as to write a list of people they want dead and shoow them to those people clearly don't have the best parents.
russ869 wrote: | Clearly kids didn't understand from watching the show the importance of Light keeping his actions with the Death Note secret. |
Well, subtlety is something kids have to learn. It's not something they inherently would know.
rizuchan wrote: | Point being, we see these headlines so frequently ANN should just have a periodic "Kid writes classmate's name in 'Death Note'" column. Though it probably would have been a lot bigger ~10 years ago. |
Well, when you get to the middle school ages, you more often hear about them writing adults' names into their homemade Death Notes, usually teachers, parents, faculty, and world leaders.
klv wrote: | People of all ages have been doing this for centuries in one way or another. It seems the death note method is the latest version. There's also drawing a picture of someone and setting it on fire, imagining a baseball is somebody's face, or making a voodoo doll and sticking pins all over it. One way or another, the action is just an indicator that the person performing it is under stress and is directing it at a particular person or their proxy - or that is how I see it anyway. This particular case also includes direct harassment, which is terrible. Is there a difference though between writing someone's name in a secret, make-believe death note and secretly doing the other things I mentioned? (Just food for thought.) I'm just happy that I never held anyone in such contempt that I felt the need to do something like that. |
Something I'd like to add is that in ancient Egypt, people would draw pictures of people they disliked onto their sandals, so they could feel like they were stepping on these people every time they walked around. So yeah, it is definitely nothing new at all, and at the very least older than the Bible.
That being said, I think in this case, where the boy showed a "death list" to people whose names were on it, is bullying. He wanted to feel superior to her. (Can't really tell if he's troubled or privileged though. Bullies can come from all over the continuum.)
Flare-kun wrote: | Ugh, why is it that in these situations, people are so quick to blame some outside cause and ignore reality. The boy may have been inspired by Death Note, but that's merely his present fascination, an outlet for his antisocial behavior. This is clearly a troubled child who should speak with a professional. I'm sure it's not easy for parents to accept that their child has issues. But ignoring the truth right in front of them will only lead to further incidents down the line. |
One of my previous jobs involved having to deal with a lot of unruly children. While there were many exceptions on both sides, I soon noticed the kids who caused trouble tended to have negligent parents who didn't care what their kids were doing or were quick to point fingers at anyone else they could (sometimes me because I'd dare insist their kids aren't perfect little angels), whereas the kids who were well-behaved and respectful of other people tended to have parents who gave them a lot of attention and would take responsibility if something went wrong. And in a few rare cases, I'd see bully children whose parents exhibited bully-like behavior themselves.
A kid with the nerve to show a classmate in his notebook that he wants her dead, even jokingly, is unlikely to have parents who will take it seriously.
Lady Multi wrote: | I remember when I was little I was taught the difference between fiction and non-fiction; I knew that everything on the TV that wasn't news was fake and not real; that it was just a thing to enjoy. Result of that I could watch pretty much anything I wanted. |
Heh, when I was little, I was convinced that everything I saw on TV was real. That is, I thought TV was a box where little people lived and you were watching a window into their lives. In particular, I feared the news anchors, because they were always looking at me no matter where in the room I was. My father repeatedly tried to explain to me that what I was watching was not actually happening in the box and that they're signals sent from far away, but the notion that I was watching little people in a box was not an easy one to dispel.
Not sure if that's quite the same as the ability to tell fiction from non-fiction though. Just that I had way fewer problems with printed media as it was more obvious they weren't real.
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mrsticky005
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:22 am
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I think they are being way too soft on the little shit harassing the girl.
He should spend a night or two in jail or juvy. Instead of this bullshit short term suspension.
As if the kid gives a crap about missing school. But I'm pretty sure if he has to spend a night sleeping on cold concrete he's gonna be sorry for being such a prick.
Or put him in one of those scared straight programs.
Yes it's a harsh punishment. But death threats should not be tolerated. Kids and parents need to understand that there are serious consequences to serious offences.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:25 pm
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mrsticky005 wrote: | I think they are being way too soft on the little shit harassing the girl.
He should spend a night or two in jail or juvy. Instead of this bullshit short term suspension.
As if the kid gives a crap about missing school. But I'm pretty sure if he has to spend a night sleeping on cold concrete he's gonna be sorry for being such a prick.
Or put him in one of those scared straight programs.
Yes it's a harsh punishment. But death threats should not be tolerated. Kids and parents need to understand that there are serious consequences to serious offences. |
That was a dilemma of the people running the schools I attended. The only punishments they were allowed to have were suspension and expulsion, which the troublemakers enjoyed because they didn't have to go to school. Anything else could (and has) landed them in hot water with parents threatening to sue.
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