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Moogle-X
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Wow. That's quite a statement. Now the question is, how will things proceed from here? Obviously Japanese companies are losing money on more anime projects lately and they are looking for actions to take to recover funds. I always imagined a day would come when things might change as far as fansubs are concerned but is it today?
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Asako
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Hmm, does anyone have a sort of chart on how it has "increasingly damaged the creative industries of Japan." I just want the perspective
 I've always wondered how much downloads have affected the industry. I've also seen many people claim that it doesn't. But I never believed that.
I think it's good that they're taking a stand. I believe a lot of the downloading has gotten out of hand :/ |
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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And so the pushback begins......
(BTW, what is up with the AnimeCastle ads? Do they think ANN's readership is dense or something?) |
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leatherman
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While I applaud them for the attempt, the result will most likely be the same as the American film industry going after torrent sites. Nothing. People that want to download stuff are going to find a way to do it. As for Youtube, they need to have more people like on wikipedia that just go around to different pages and make sure nothing is wrong with it.
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jsyxx
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LOL at our legal system being too complicated and expensive for them. Like an outside country is going to be able to influence that. I don't know if fansubs are the cause of the problems in the industry. Maybe it's a significant problem, but perhaps they should look into the how they do business in their own country first. You bascially have to be a starving millionaire over there to afford a decent anime collection.
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Aresef
Posts: 918 Location: MD |
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The fun thing about the DMCA is the safe harbor provision. Any illegal content people are uploading to YouTube, Google Video, Veoh, can be taken down by request of the webhost. The only recourse Japanese companies have, legally speaking, since all these sites are generally US-based, is to shoot over a takedown request to the webhost, or ask their American partners to do so.
BitTorrent, however, is an entirely different issue, as people are distributing full eps and DVD rips, not simple clips ala YT. That is REAL piracy, and aside from the true fans picking up fansubs and then buying the R1's, these people deserve every ounce of lawsuit Japan can muster. Bootleggers are problem #3, and arguably the worst threat to their livelihood. Do I really need to explain this one? |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Nine lines out of fifty pages (on document p.49 / file p. 52). 
The news feature gives an impression that Japanese MoFA issued this formal statement on behalf of anime and only anime. That is not quite the case here. It is a report on the reform of regulations and policies of the United States requested by the government of Japan. Copyright protection is just one of many, many issues mentioned in the report.
Last edited by dormcat on Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Romuska
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I personally always felt that downloading a new anime series straight from Japan is like watching it on TV. If I like it then I'll buy, if I dont' then I won't. Why should I have to spend $25 a disc for a series that may or may not be good. It's nice to see good anime appearing on Adult Swim uncut and uncensored for the most part. But let's be real, a lot of these shows are never going to see an American release. I doubt there's any plans to release 3,000 Leagues in Search of Mother, I've yet to see a DVD release for Future Boy Conan, and Genesis of Aquarion was actually licensed almost a year ago and not a single volume is even availible for preorder.
I have to say, I agree. |
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britannicamoore
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Hmmm...I understand the US is a superpower in the world but what about the other 200 or more countires that are distrubing anime for free?
It's kind of what pisses me off about youtube when they take down the english subs but keep up spanish, french, or german ones. Personally, I feel if they want to recoup some of their money put their titles on our i-tunes or somewhere with subs as soon as the episode airs in Japan for a decent american price- not the japanese price. It's a nice try but I doubt they'll get anywhere or if anyone will truly pay this any heed. As for YT they do have full episodes of shows. And dvd rips. You might see a clip of a show- but 8/10 thats to promote someones site that has the whole episode. You really can't distinguish between Bittorent and YT they both have the same things. Except BT has more manga. |
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masterage
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Just wondering:
What places in America/Canada allow you to recieve Japanese satallite signals? If that's widely unavailable, short of moving to Japan, how in the world are we supposed to see the untranslated shows that won't make it to the US, legit? Ah well, like this slows the nets down any. Basically this news was saying "No Kodomo no Jikan for you!" |
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testorschoice
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Doesn't the news article already say it was a statement of requests, plural, and that statement includes a request, singular, on anime? I think the news is already pretty clear that the requests are not only about anime, but it includes anime. Looking at the document, it also mentions stuff like anti-dumping measures, anti-terrorist measures on cargo ships, visa and IDs, and spam. Last edited by testorschoice on Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Xanas
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I agree with you, if these companies want to stop illegal anime releases then they should be providing subbed releases at a faster rate. Hell, instead of going after these bittorrent guys why not let them work for them for free. They already have shown that they are willing to do this for nothing, so why not let them be a legitimate distribution channel and the website/etc. for them would be managed by these companies who would make a return on the subscriptions.
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Avacado Burger
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The thing I fear about this is the possible backlash of lumping unlicensed fansubs together with ones that are already commercially available. We already know how technologically savvy the US government is (series of tubes anyone?), so this isn't completely farfetched.
Bust the guy selling Naruto bootlegs at the flea market before you bust me for watching Sexy Commando. |
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Xanas
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It doesn't work that way though, because the flea market guy is a little more savvy and probably does a good job of playing his stuff off as the real thing, and you are using the wrong torrent client or the wrong torrent site and are broadcasting yourself to the open clearly. So you are the easy target, just like the lady using Kazaa who was fined over 100k recently for some music. As long as the laws are based around the unenforceable protection of copyright (and not based around bootlegging) you'll see litigation increase until it hits a breaking point and the industry just can't afford the stupidity of it anymore.
Sadly this will all take a long time, and we'll get a few more stupid DMCA-type laws thrown on the fire as the pro-"intellectual property" crowd cheer hoping it'll improve prices and/or the industry(it can't and it won't). |
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Emerje
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No kidding. Of all the ads here those are the ones that I truly hate. Do they really have to resort ot half naked girls and fake buttons to get customers? That's the type of ad you expect from a sleazy porn site, not a respectable anime store. Back on topic: This is the same stuff we here time after time and while I completely understand where they're coming from at the same time it's very one sided. There is no possible way at this point for them to take it all back without giving something in return. I'm not saying they owe anything, but what I am saying is that they have to give a little in order to come to a solution. People might be more willing to abandon fansubs if Japan did a download service with timely English subs of their own. I for one would have no problem with paying $1 per episode in fansub-quality if it came directly from Japan. Japan has to get with the times and realize that the internet has brought their little islands world wide and in this day and age make some sort of attempt to cater to it. Of course they have no obligations to do such things, but by now they should realize that simply taking is no longer an option. Emerje |
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