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BlueOla
Joined: 08 Feb 2016
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:55 pm
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Well damn, I feel bad for Okamoto. He'll be getting bad press just because Lantis messed this up. Not cool, guys, not cool.
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Tenchi
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Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer.
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:55 pm
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I'm hearing the same voice in the left and the right headphones; am I listening to the video "wrong"?
EDIT: Sorry, I didn't have the headphones plugged in all of the way, it would seem. Now I hear the split.
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crosswithyou
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:19 pm
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Haha, wow. Lantis and Kiramune are the same record company (just different label) so I wonder if no one from Kiramune's staff had ever been to one of Suzu's solo concerts. He always sings Hitotsu.
Kinda interesting to hear two different songs to the same music though. This kind of gives us a small glimpse into how songs are recorded. I guess Lantis has a depository of composed music to later have lyrics added and then the song recorded. I'm personally not familiar with how songs are created so I had always wondered which usually came first, the music or the lyrics.
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zeopower6
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:25 pm
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Odd that an oversight like this happened... now the Okamoto track is basically gonna be erased from history.
Typically a composition is made first for idol works and they select from demos like this but I guess it had never officially been 'registered' as a used composition.
Something that happened like this in the West was when Ryan Tedder's composition for "Halo" (Beyonce) was also used by Kelly Clarkson for "Already Gone" but it was already too late, I guess. Still, I feel like people wouldn't want to exchange the album since now the initial release is super rare xD
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Gemnist
Joined: 10 Feb 2016
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:18 pm
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Okamoro won't face any charges for this right? Oh well, at least Shelter can keep us busy in the meantime.
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crosswithyou
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:21 pm
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Gemnist wrote: | Okamoro won't face any charges for this right? |
No. Both songs are owned by Lantis.
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Top Gun
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:40 pm
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See kids, this is why you write your own music.
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crosswithyou
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:49 pm
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Top Gun wrote: | See kids, this is why you write your own music. |
Suzu does write all the lyrics to his songs. He doesn't compose the music though, which I assume is your main point.
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Titania
Joined: 24 Aug 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:24 pm
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It isn't plagiarism ... Lantis can't plagiarize itself. Rather, it reflects poor inventory control/artist management on Lantis' part to not know what compositions have already been used by its artists. I feel badly for Okamoto, as none of this is his fault. How the heck did Kiramune get past the planning stages without realizing the song was already in regular use by another Lantis artist, even if it hadn't been recorded?
Reusing compositions in anime-land isn't all that unusual, though. Granrodeo's e-zuka reused his compositions for the band's シャニムニ and 甘い痛みは幻想の果てに songs (as Aki Masato's Scarlet Bomb, for Needless and Orb Hunter's SILENT DESTINY, for Neo-Angelique Abyss 2). Both versions of each are solid songs and stand on their own (even if it's a bit confusing the first time you listen).
The most bizarre re-usage I've seen is where a well-known older Gundam theme was reworked for a song (Be Wish! My Soul) on an âge Visual Works CD.
In light of that, I wish Lantis had just let the CD be, rather than make a fuss over recalling it.
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Top Gun
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:31 pm
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crosswithyou wrote: |
Top Gun wrote: | See kids, this is why you write your own music. |
Suzu does write all the lyrics to his songs. He doesn't compose the music though, which I assume is your main point. |
Yeah, I'm not implying that every artist has to be a jack-of-all-trades, but at the very least work with someone to write music for you specifically. Having compositions selected out of a corporate catalog just feels like the most lowest-common-denominator manufactured banality you can muster.
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Sparvid
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:15 pm
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So was the original composer credited for the new song as well?
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:53 pm
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What a total fallout from Lantis...and Mr. Okomoto-san is paying for it. Totally unfortunate.
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zeopower6
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:45 am
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Top Gun wrote: |
crosswithyou wrote: |
Top Gun wrote: | See kids, this is why you write your own music. |
Suzu does write all the lyrics to his songs. He doesn't compose the music though, which I assume is your main point. |
Yeah, I'm not implying that every artist has to be a jack-of-all-trades, but at the very least work with someone to write music for you specifically. Having compositions selected out of a corporate catalog just feels like the most lowest-common-denominator manufactured banality you can muster. |
With the amount of music pumped out every year from Japanese artists, it's a rather efficient way of getting material. A lot of Asian artists in the 00s and even now use compositions from Western studios that exist to pump out base demos for future tracks. Also most Japanese labels have in house composers and arrangers that create for them specifically.
At times the songs change drastically in the final product while other times the only difference is new lyrics.
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iamtooawesome
Joined: 02 Feb 2015
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:28 pm
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That was a publishing error, surely the production manager could cover up the mistake by simply telling everyone that Suzumura promoted the song for Nobuhiko's new album since the song wasn't publicaly published anyway, but it was poorly handled.
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